[bwpotter]

OK... I give up! I'm new to the board but have used UBCD several times in the past with great success. However, I'm really struggling with updating the AntiVir plugin. The process seems fairly straightforward but after trying 7 or 8 times, I'm at whits end. I've reviewed all the posts but cannot seem to get anywhere.

Here are the steps I've followed: Downloaded the latest AV7PE's updated plugin (AV7PE_v3.zip), unzipped the contents and replacing the original AV7PE folder found here: ..\UBCD4Win\plugin\AntiVirus\AV7PE. Then, I run the <config> option in the UBCD's build menu to update the plugin. Finally, rebuilding the .iso and burning it to a cd. However, every time I try to use it, I get a 'Program expired 8/31/06' message. One final note, when I first call up the program in the booted project, I get a cmd window with the following message: Starting... the service name is invalid.

I'm sure it's operator error, but I'd really appreciate it if somebody could tell me exactly what I'm doing wrong? Thanks for the help AND a great tool!

Regards... Brian

[rdsok]

Just delete the AV7PE folder period ( in the plugin\Antivirus folder ... then after you extract it.. move this version into the place the other one was at. ...\plugins\Antivirus\AV7PE

[The Piney]

I had some problems getting it to load right as well. I got it working the other night...

Delete the old directory and copy over the new extracted folder - DO NOT UPDATE!!!!!

Burn a CD and reboot to UBCD4Win

Do the update marked - AV7 Personal plugin Update Creater - in the UBCD4Win menu.

This will create a AV7PE.exe in the root of your ram drive. (B: by default)

While still in PE copy the created file to your plugin\AntiVirus\AV7PE directory.

Reboot and burn the project and it will have the new date...

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I haven't tried udpating it yet - will try and stop back to update post....

edit: Updated fine and running scan as I post in PE... Shows License date of 2/28/07 and def file v6.36.01.148, 12/8/06 - engine v7.02.00.49, 12/5/06...

This post has been edited by The Piney: 08 December 2006 - 03:21 AM

[thomasjk]

The Piney, on Dec 8 2006, 02:28 AM, said:

I had some problems getting it to load right as well. I got it working the other night...

Delete the old directory and copy over the new extracted folder - DO NOT UPDATE!!!!!

Burn a CD and reboot to UBCD4Win

Do the update marked - AV7 Personal plugin Update Creater - in the UBCD4Win menu.

This will create a AV7PE.exe in the root of your ram drive. (B: by default)

While still in PE copy the created file to your plugin\AntiVirus\AV7PE directory.

Reboot and burn the project and it will have the new date...

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I haven't tried udpating it yet - will try and stop back to update post....

edit: Updated fine and running scan as I post in PE... Shows License date of 2/28/07 and def file v6.36.01.148, 12/8/06 - engine v7.02.00.49, 12/5/06...

So in order for this update to work I have to build the ISO twice? I thought this could be done befroe building the ISO. Can someone clarify this please.

[rdsok]

thomasjk, on Dec 8 2006, 10:07 AM, said:

So in order for this update to work I have to build the ISO twice? I thought this could be done befroe building the ISO. Can someone clarify this please.

I've never had to build twice for the reason's they stated... I update and then build... Now often if it has been sometime since the release of a plugin because the scanning engine does not get updated during the update process before build time... only the virus definitions are addressed there. This is from limitations in the software.

[bwpotter]

The Piney, on Dec 8 2006, 02:28 AM, said:

I had some problems getting it to load right as well. I got it working the other night...

Delete the old directory and copy over the new extracted folder - DO NOT UPDATE!!!!!

Burn a CD and reboot to UBCD4Win

Do the update marked - AV7 Personal plugin Update Creater - in the UBCD4Win menu.

This will create a AV7PE.exe in the root of your ram drive. (B: by default)

While still in PE copy the created file to your plugin\AntiVirus\AV7PE directory.

Reboot and burn the project and it will have the new date...

========

I haven't tried udpating it yet - will try and stop back to update post....

edit: Updated fine and running scan as I post in PE... Shows License date of 2/28/07 and def file v6.36.01.148, 12/8/06 - engine v7.02.00.49, 12/5/06...

Unfortunately, I'm still getting the same results. This is crazy, I know people are updating successfully! Reviewing all the posts again, I'm still somewhat confused as to the exact sequence to use since it appears that more than one technique actually works!

Reaching for straws on another attempt, I also went in and executed the get_update.cmd file, which connected to the ftp server and downloaded the latest updates. It then re-compressed all the files back into AV7PE.exe, which is larger now judging from the file size. Same deal though!

I run AntiVir on my desktop; I wonder if it might somehow be impacting the update process?

Also, since I have the full install on a separate platform, I wonder if I can copy all the files over to the plugin folder? Maybe I'll try that next. Arrgggg!

Thanks for all the imput... Brian

This post has been edited by bwpotter: 08 December 2006 - 01:45 PM

[dobbelina]

Replacing the whole directory (downloaded from first post), and executing Get_update.cmd worked fine for me before build time.
I guess if you have antivir personal and 7-zip installed locally on your machine, creating
a 7-zip sfx of the needed files can offcourse be done.
I think it all boils down to that "hbedv.key" file.
That must be the license file.
Just extract "AV7PE.exe" to your harddrive.
Then lift over all the updated files from your desktop.
Rebuild with 7-zip and make sure the "AV7PE" folder is in the root, same as on
the extracted one.

I see there's a few files in the "system" folder that appears to be from version 6.
I'm referring to these files:
system\avsda.dll=2,,1
system\avgntdd.sys=4,,1
system\avgntmgr.sys=4,,1
I assume these aren't updated by using any of the techniques above.
If somebody has them,(If you have antivir installed on your desktop), could you please zip these 3 files and upload to RS, or some other filesharing service, thanks.
Maybe even rdsok could make them avaliable here if you have access to them...

This post has been edited by dobbelina: 09 December 2006 - 01:07 AM

[dobbelina]

Those 3 files in the system folder are the latest, just checked.
Why is it that after an hour or 2 one can't edit one own's topic anymore ?

[BvF7734]

The time out for post editing is a setting of this forum. Basically, Steel has explained that editing your post after X amount of time or after someone else posts makes the thread get out of order and allows people to change what they said. It makes sense if you think about it.

[thomasjk]

I followed Randy's suggestion of updating and then building. This worked for me and gave me a license expiration date of 2/28/2007.

I started UBCD4WINBUILDER.EXE and opened the plugin window. I selected Antivir and then clicked Config. After the update ran I built a new ISO and the updated AV7PE was included.

[bwpotter]

Finally... success! I decided to start from scratch on another platform and run the entire process from scratch. Here are the steps that worked for me:
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1.) Installed UBCD4WinV3 (in a directory path without spaces of course)

2.) Deleted the ..\plugin\AntiVirus\AV7PE folder in its entirety

3.) Extracted the AV7PE folder from AV7PE_v3.zip, found at the beginning of this thread, and copied it to the path in step 2 above

4.) Ran ..\plugin\AntiVirus\AV7PE\get_update.cmd to update the AV7 definition files

5.) Updated the other various plugins using the UBCD4Win PE builder interface **Did not update the AV7 Personal plugin (see step 4 above)**

6.) Built the .iso image and smiled for the first time in two days with a license expiration date of 2/28/2007!

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Other methods may work as well but this one did the trick the first time.

I have no idea why my other XP platform is giving me all the update issues but I'm not going to worry about it anymore.

Thanks to everyone in the forums for the quick replies, insight, and help! I'm looking forward to learning more.

Regards... Brian

This post has been edited by bwpotter: 09 December 2006 - 01:23 PM

[steje]

rdsok, on Dec 6 2006, 10:16 PM, said:

steje, on Dec 6 2006, 09:09 PM, said:

Besides... don't know about you, but I service computers with UBCD discs that don't always have readily available internet connections... So how long is any particular single disc good for anyway? Aren't alot of project users somewhat regularly burning 'updated' discs? I'm sure that come february, someone will throw up an updated Avira plugin that will be good for another few months after that... or you can go download the full Avira install and rebuild a plugin on your own.

The latest plugin, if you update to it, has a feature that allows you to rebuild the plugin from within UBCD4Win... and if you read the instructions it gives you... you can then use the updated file to build new versions from in the event that the expiration issue happens ( about Feb for instance ). Then it will be good again for another few months. Of course its still good to do the other updates and rebuild more often so you can have the latest definition updates also.

Saw that, I was just really responding to the notion that you have to "throw away" the UBCD4WIN disc after february... whereas I often throw mine away within a few weeks for the reasons stated ;-). The procedure you mention doesn't do much on a PC without an internet connection.

However, since you mentioned it...

Program update for AV7 Personal is complete

Now simply copy the B:\AV7PE.exe file to

your UBCD4Win plugins\Antivirus\AV7PE\files folder.

Press any key to continue . . .

After running the the AV7PE Personal plugin Update Creater (Creator)... But 'during' the Avira update operation I get several messages that the machine should be rebooted for updates to take effect. Subsequently, after replying 'No' to all of them there is no new file created at the path specified. Is there a topic somewhere that describes what's going on here?

@bwpotter:

That's sort of odd since running get_update.cmd is exactly what using the 'config' option inside UBCD4Winbuilder/plugins interface does... It just runs that cmd script. I'd rather say that your success has to do with reinstalling the UBCD4Win project thereby eliminating any possible confusion with the directories you were working with on the other PC.

This post has been edited by steje: 09 December 2006 - 09:17 PM

[steje]

Never mind... looked at the 'new_av7pe.cmd' script you wrote to see what it does; 2 observations:

1. I had run Antivir scan and manual update from within the programs interface just prior to running your plugin update creator script. I suppose this may have left something open or otherwise inaccessible that caused Antivir to squak about restarting the PC for updates to take effect.

2. I'd removed 7-zip on this build of the disc... I see that the script requires it in order to build the 'new' AV7PE executable.

So these were both self-inflicted wounds so to speak ;-).

BTW - thanks for the plugins, and the help here!

[dobbelina]

On a sidenote I can mention,
yesterday I tried the plugin updater from the PE enviroment, works to
I'm surprised how good this proggie seems to be.
It found plenty of malwarez missed by AVG.
I know they are not "false positives" as I uploaded some of the caught files to virustotal.com,
and confimed they were indeed bad.

[rdsok]

dobbelina, on Dec 10 2006, 02:51 AM, said:

On a sidenote I can mention,
yesterday I tried the plugin updater from the PE enviroment, works to
I'm surprised how good this proggie seems to be.
It found plenty of malwarez missed by AVG.
I know they are not "false positives" as I uploaded some of the caught files to virustotal.com,
and confimed they were indeed bad.

There can be any number of reasons that an antivirus by "miss" something another antivirus detects...

The obvious reason is that no-one may have reported the particular malware to the makers of the antivirus yet... for AVG this is what I recommend...

If you suspect a file to be an infection of some sort. Test the file at http://virusscan.jotti.org/ and if it is, archive (zip, arc, tar etc) the file using a password and email a copy to with a brief description as well as the password you used to archive it with.

Now comes the subjective parts of detection... Many av programs also detect what is best called riskware or hack tools.... These are not malware but they can be a risk. Password tools often fall into this area as well as network scanners, parental controls and many other useful tools. Adware programs are also often found by some antivirus programs while others choose to not detect them. The point being is that what one company may classify as something that may need detected another company may not agree with and actually choose to not detect it.

I know in the past that there were several times that AVG caught items that AntiVir missed so the very same statement you mentioned against AVG can be reversed and used against AntiVir. The truth is that there is no one best antivirus program.. each has areas that they do better at. To make a true comparison you have to look at each side of the issue.. see what each product offers for protection and then decide which is the one that best suits your needs.