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A Guide at Creating a UBCD/UBCD4Win Combo CD Per LittlBUGer's Instructions

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    Post icon  Posted 22 November 2004 - 05:06 PM

    Yea, I still need to update the guide with the new UBCD version. Sometime I'll do that.... ;)



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      Posted 22 November 2004 - 05:12 PM

      What about skipping mkisofs altogether and using CDIMAGE? The new version 3 has a gui

      What settings would you use for this program?

      cdimagegui.zip

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        Post icon  Posted 22 November 2004 - 05:26 PM

        I'll look into that. I noticed something though on your mkisofs settings...

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        D:/Boot CDs/ComboUBCD/iso/comboubcdv52.iso


        I know people in the past have had problems with spaces in the path. Have you tried it without spaces? :)

        EDIT: Almost forgot that someone here is working on a nice GUI for mkisofs. More information located HERE. Pretty similar to the cdimage GUI... :)

        This post has been edited by LittlBUGer: 22 November 2004 - 05:55 PM




        "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
        "Computers are really strange - first everything works fine, then something goes terribly wrong and nothing works, and then - like a thunderbolt from a clear sky, everything is back to normal again. It's like nothing ever happened. Like the computer were female." - Unknown
        "Some people say that I must be a terrible person, but it's not true. I have the heart of a young boy. In a jar on my desk." - Stephen King
        "If there is anything the nonconformist hates worse than a conformist, it's another nonconformist who doesn't conform to the prevailing standard of nonconformity." - Bill Vaughan
        "Microsoft Windows [n.]: A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor and sold by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition." - Unknown
        "When a newly married couple smiles, everyone knows why. When a ten-year married couple smiles, everyone wonders why." - Unknown
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          Posted 23 November 2004 - 05:23 PM

          Update,

          OK, so I was able to get mkisofs to work in that I can boot to UBCD and can now select windows UBCD and it boots but now I cannot get INSERT Knoppix to work??? ARGH

          When I choose INSERT to boot I get this error:

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          Can't find INSERT filesystem


          This is what I am using for options for mkisofs:
          mkisofs.exe -iso-level 4 -volid "WindowsUBCD" -A PEBUILDER/MKISOFS -sysid "Win32" -b boot/loader.bin -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -hide boot/loader.bin -hide comboubcd/boot.catalog -o "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\iso\cbubcdv52.iso" "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\ComboUBCD"


          One thing I noticed that seems odd is the boot.catalog file, when running the command it says its is going to use BOOT000.CATALOG and then I see this file as well as the boot.catalog file on the root of the cd.

          What files does INSERT use at after it detects the USB and Hard Drives? I am so close I can taste it :)

          Curious also if your CD works for all 3 (DOS, WIN, LINUX) littlbuger ?

          Dennis

          This post has been edited by DigiWiz: 23 November 2004 - 05:27 PM

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            Post icon  Posted 24 November 2004 - 10:53 AM

            I have not been able to get INSERT to work with my other Linux boot CD that I already have on mine, as you can't put two ISOLINUX boot CDs on there at the same time (you just can't, no matter what you try). Though, when I tested it without my other Linux CD, INSERT worked just fine. Did you make sure you got a good non-corrupted download of the Full version of the UBCD? Otherwise, yes, I've gotten mine to work perfectly with the UBCD, UBCD4Win, and my Linux Boot CD, Novell ZENWorks Imaging (plus a few other DOS boot disks that I added to the UBCD). :)

            As for your code, maybe you shouldn't put "-hide comboubcd/boot.catalog" in there? I don't know... I'm still testing with The GUI at work. The INSERT Linux boot part should use that boot.catalog file and an isolinux.bin file (I think) and a few others. I'll have to reply again once I'm at work with better conclusions (I'm still sick from yesterday though, so I may not go to work today...) :)



            "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
            "Computers are really strange - first everything works fine, then something goes terribly wrong and nothing works, and then - like a thunderbolt from a clear sky, everything is back to normal again. It's like nothing ever happened. Like the computer were female." - Unknown
            "Some people say that I must be a terrible person, but it's not true. I have the heart of a young boy. In a jar on my desk." - Stephen King
            "If there is anything the nonconformist hates worse than a conformist, it's another nonconformist who doesn't conform to the prevailing standard of nonconformity." - Bill Vaughan
            "Microsoft Windows [n.]: A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor and sold by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition." - Unknown
            "When a newly married couple smiles, everyone knows why. When a ten-year married couple smiles, everyone wonders why." - Unknown
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              Posted 24 November 2004 - 12:35 PM

              LittlBUGer, on Nov 24 2004, 11:53 AM, said:

              I have not been able to get INSERT to work with my other Linux boot CD that I already have on mine, as you can't put two ISOLINUX boot CDs on there at the same time (you just can't, no matter what you try).

              That isn't big deal to put two ISOLINUX based CDs on one CD. Only bad thing can hapen if they are both Knoppix-based (both contains KNOPPIX folder). Any other combination can work (Slax + Knoppix, Slax + MoviX, MoviX + Knoppix...).

              If you need more instructions on this, open the topic in apropiate section and send me a PM (I don't read all the sections on the forum).
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                Posted 24 November 2004 - 02:19 PM

                littlbugger,

                That is good news to know that it is possible to get UBCD, UBCD4WIN, and INSERT all working on the same CD. I am baffled why it is not working for me. I am pretty sure it has to do with how I am making the final ISO. I have a full UBCD with INSERT downloaded and working perfectly, I also have a full UBCD4Windows working on its own. I am now making a script that combines the two on the fly and makes the iso but the making the ISO portion is what is killing me. My version of nero is the latest 6.6.0.1 so your instructions did not match in a few areas, which could be why my nero attempt failed as well.

                I am going to try a stand alone UBCD again to make sure my insert works there just to be safe.

                Here is the batch file I am using to combine UBCD and UBCD4Win. I am using version 3.0 for UBCD and version 2.2 for UBCD4Win.
                xcopy "D:\Boot CDs\WinUBCDv2.2\temp\*.*" "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\ComboUBCD" /S /E /H /Y
                pause
                xcopy "D:\Boot CDs\DosUBCDv3.0\ubcd\*.*" "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\ComboUBCD" /S /E /H /Y
                pause
                copy "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\ComboUBCD\bootsect.bin" "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\ComboUBCD\PRO1.DAT" /y
                copy "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\binaries\combofiles\main.scn" "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\ComboUBCD\boot\menus" /Y
                copy "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\binaries\combofiles\autorun.inf" "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\ComboUBCD" /Y
                "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\binaries\cdimage\cdimage.exe" -l"UBCDCombo" -h -n -b"D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\ComboUBCD\boot\loader.bin" -o -m "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\ComboUBCD" "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\iso\comboubcdv52.iso"
                pause


                This is just a simple batch file to show what I am doing. I think I just need to solve making the final ISO that does not complain about the boot.catalog file and not complain about the long file names in the UBCD4Win folders.

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                  Post icon  Posted 24 November 2004 - 06:58 PM

                  bobby100, on Nov 24 2004, 11:35 AM, said:

                  LittlBUGer, on Nov 24 2004, 11:53 AM, said:

                  I have not been able to get INSERT to work with my other Linux boot CD that I already have on mine, as you can't put two ISOLINUX boot CDs on there at the same time (you just can't, no matter what you try).

                  That isn't big deal to put two ISOLINUX based CDs on one CD. Only bad thing can hapen if they are both Knoppix-based (both contains KNOPPIX folder). Any other combination can work (Slax + Knoppix, Slax + MoviX, MoviX + Knoppix...).

                  If you need more instructions on this, open the topic in apropiate section and send me a PM (I don't read all the sections on the forum).

                  Here's the reason you can't add two, based right from the UBCD instructions:

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                  Method 2: Without a bootable floppy image

                  1. Copy everything (as it is) from the CD you want to integrate into the root of UBCD (such as C:\combocd\).
                  2. Edit the /boot/cdshell.ini to add a reference to your new CD like this:

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                  if ($lastKey == key[k]); then bcdw /isolinux/isolinux.bin



                  3. The command bcdw is VERY IMPORTANT in the previous step as it will not work at all otherwise. Also, when you copied the CD over to the combo CD root and it didn’t create an ISOLinux folder, then replace Step 2 with:

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                  if ($lastKey == key[k]); then bcdw /isolinux.bin



                  4. Make the UBCD image and burn it.
                  NOTES:
                  • Only works for ISOLinux based CDs (look for the isolinux directory).
                  • You can add only one such CD, because the isolinux directory on more CDs will conflict each other.


                  No matter how much I tried, it would only load one or the other. But I don't really need the INSERT part anyway for work, maybe for home use, but not at work. I wouldn't use the ZENWorks one at home, so it doesn't really matter. Thanks for the help though. :)



                  "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
                  "Computers are really strange - first everything works fine, then something goes terribly wrong and nothing works, and then - like a thunderbolt from a clear sky, everything is back to normal again. It's like nothing ever happened. Like the computer were female." - Unknown
                  "Some people say that I must be a terrible person, but it's not true. I have the heart of a young boy. In a jar on my desk." - Stephen King
                  "If there is anything the nonconformist hates worse than a conformist, it's another nonconformist who doesn't conform to the prevailing standard of nonconformity." - Bill Vaughan
                  "Microsoft Windows [n.]: A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor and sold by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition." - Unknown
                  "When a newly married couple smiles, everyone knows why. When a ten-year married couple smiles, everyone wonders why." - Unknown
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                    Posted 24 November 2004 - 09:47 PM

                    If someone needs to put two Isolinux based CDs on one CD, you just need to "merge" isolinux.cfg files.
                    "Merge" isn't meant litteraly, but with a little knowledge it can be done. If someone still needs help on this, I'll be glad to help.
                    I wonn't say that I'm a specialist for Isolinux, but I'm a kind of :)

                    This post has been edited by bobby100: 24 November 2004 - 09:49 PM

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                      Post icon  Posted 26 November 2004 - 12:56 PM

                      dlevens, on Nov 24 2004, 01:19 PM, said:

                      littlbugger,

                      That is good news to know that it is possible to get UBCD, UBCD4WIN, and INSERT all working on the same CD. I am baffled why it is not working for me. I am pretty sure it has to do with how I am making the final ISO. I have a full UBCD with INSERT downloaded and working perfectly, I also have a full UBCD4Windows working on its own. I am now making a script that combines the two on the fly and makes the iso but the making the ISO portion is what is killing me. My version of nero is the latest 6.6.0.1 so your instructions did not match in a few areas, which could be why my nero attempt failed as well.

                      I am going to try a stand alone UBCD again to make sure my insert works there just to be safe.

                      Here is the batch file I am using to combine UBCD and UBCD4Win. I am using version 3.0 for UBCD and version 2.2 for UBCD4Win.
                      xcopy "D:\Boot CDs\WinUBCDv2.2\temp\*.*" "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\ComboUBCD" /S /E /H /Y
                      pause
                      xcopy "D:\Boot CDs\DosUBCDv3.0\ubcd\*.*" "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\ComboUBCD" /S /E /H /Y
                      pause
                      copy "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\ComboUBCD\bootsect.bin" "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\ComboUBCD\PRO1.DAT" /y
                      copy "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\binaries\combofiles\main.scn" "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\ComboUBCD\boot\menus" /Y
                      copy "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\binaries\combofiles\autorun.inf" "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\ComboUBCD" /Y
                      "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\binaries\cdimage\cdimage.exe" -l"UBCDCombo" -h -n -b"D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\ComboUBCD\boot\loader.bin" -o -m "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\ComboUBCD" "D:\Boot CDs\ComboUBCD\iso\comboubcdv52.iso"
                      pause


                      This is just a simple batch file to show what I am doing. I think I just need to solve making the final ISO that does not complain about the boot.catalog file and not complain about the long file names in the UBCD4Win folders.

                      Dennis

                      Well, I did a ton of testing with The GUI and mkisofs and still haven't got it working yet. So now, I'm testing with CDimage to see what I can come up with. I'll let you know my findings later on today. :)

                      UPDATE: I couldn't get CDimage to work at all either. Though using Nero still works just fine. I'll try to update the guide when I get a chance, but because I've been sick lately and I missed work, I'm really busy at work right now. The instructions for Nero are basically the same, except in the newest Nero, a couple of options have moved, but not changed. :)

                      This post has been edited by LittlBUGer: 26 November 2004 - 01:45 PM




                      "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
                      "Computers are really strange - first everything works fine, then something goes terribly wrong and nothing works, and then - like a thunderbolt from a clear sky, everything is back to normal again. It's like nothing ever happened. Like the computer were female." - Unknown
                      "Some people say that I must be a terrible person, but it's not true. I have the heart of a young boy. In a jar on my desk." - Stephen King
                      "If there is anything the nonconformist hates worse than a conformist, it's another nonconformist who doesn't conform to the prevailing standard of nonconformity." - Bill Vaughan
                      "Microsoft Windows [n.]: A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor and sold by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition." - Unknown
                      "When a newly married couple smiles, everyone knows why. When a ten-year married couple smiles, everyone wonders why." - Unknown
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                        Post icon  Posted 26 November 2004 - 03:47 PM

                        AH HA! SUCCESS!!!

                        After more testing with The GUI, I finally found the options for mkisofs that seem to work great (everything I've tested thus far has worked fine). Here's the command (example):

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                        "C:\Program Files\The_GUI\mkisofs.exe" -l -iso-level 2 -N -relaxed-filenames -duplicates-once -D -boot-load-seg 0x7C0 -boot-load-size 4 -o "C:/ubcd/THE_UBCD_WAPA_test.iso" -b "boot/loader.bin" -no-emul-boot -p "Randy Senn" -volid "THE_UBCD_WAPA" -appid "The_GUI" -sysid "Win32" "C:/tubcd/"


                        Just remember to change the bold parts to your proper needs. If you have time to test, let me know how it goes. :D

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                        "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
                        "Computers are really strange - first everything works fine, then something goes terribly wrong and nothing works, and then - like a thunderbolt from a clear sky, everything is back to normal again. It's like nothing ever happened. Like the computer were female." - Unknown
                        "Some people say that I must be a terrible person, but it's not true. I have the heart of a young boy. In a jar on my desk." - Stephen King
                        "If there is anything the nonconformist hates worse than a conformist, it's another nonconformist who doesn't conform to the prevailing standard of nonconformity." - Bill Vaughan
                        "Microsoft Windows [n.]: A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor and sold by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition." - Unknown
                        "When a newly married couple smiles, everyone knows why. When a ten-year married couple smiles, everyone wonders why." - Unknown
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                          Post icon  Posted 26 November 2004 - 04:55 PM

                          OK. I updated the guide, finally, to hopefully reflect all changes, additions, and comments from earlier posts and whatnot. :)



                          "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
                          "Computers are really strange - first everything works fine, then something goes terribly wrong and nothing works, and then - like a thunderbolt from a clear sky, everything is back to normal again. It's like nothing ever happened. Like the computer were female." - Unknown
                          "Some people say that I must be a terrible person, but it's not true. I have the heart of a young boy. In a jar on my desk." - Stephen King
                          "If there is anything the nonconformist hates worse than a conformist, it's another nonconformist who doesn't conform to the prevailing standard of nonconformity." - Bill Vaughan
                          "Microsoft Windows [n.]: A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor and sold by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition." - Unknown
                          "When a newly married couple smiles, everyone knows why. When a ten-year married couple smiles, everyone wonders why." - Unknown
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                            Posted 29 November 2004 - 05:23 PM

                            So glad you found the time to figure this one out. Testing now will update my post as soon as I give this a go.

                            Thanks a ton,

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                              Posted 29 November 2004 - 06:20 PM

                              Hmm,

                              The ISO is created ok, and even burns ok, but if I verify the data by putting a check in nero to verify burned data it has a ton of read errors. I saw this before depending on how the iso is made.

                              I am still playing with it and will try the nero approach, but so far the mkisofs seems to give read errors.

                              Curious if you checked verify data in your nero after making the iso using mkisofs?

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                                Post icon  Posted 29 November 2004 - 06:30 PM

                                I never use the verify data in Nero as it takes up too much time and it always seems to give errors, even on perfect burns where I know the data is good. I tested it by actually running it in a virtual and real environment, so I know it works. Have you tried a different program to verify the data or actually tried to boot from the CD? :)



                                "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
                                "Computers are really strange - first everything works fine, then something goes terribly wrong and nothing works, and then - like a thunderbolt from a clear sky, everything is back to normal again. It's like nothing ever happened. Like the computer were female." - Unknown
                                "Some people say that I must be a terrible person, but it's not true. I have the heart of a young boy. In a jar on my desk." - Stephen King
                                "If there is anything the nonconformist hates worse than a conformist, it's another nonconformist who doesn't conform to the prevailing standard of nonconformity." - Bill Vaughan
                                "Microsoft Windows [n.]: A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor and sold by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition." - Unknown
                                "When a newly married couple smiles, everyone knows why. When a ten-year married couple smiles, everyone wonders why." - Unknown
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