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PreLogon Expires Tomorrow?

#31 User is offline   rdsok Icon

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    Posted 05 February 2007 - 01:36 PM

    View Postlawson23, on Feb 5 2007, 12:24 PM, said:

    Question:
    It appears that this is a every build setting is this true?

    As when I close builder and go back in it shows all the settings back instead of being blank.


    No... once changed, the settings stay that way until you re-run and save the settings. PreLogon Config, doesn't read the existing settings when run again.. instead it shows the default settings... so as long as you don't apply them, they will stay the way they were when last saved.
    Plan A is always more effective when the device you are working on understands that Plan B involves either a large hammer or screwdriver....
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      Posted 07 February 2007 - 11:08 AM

      I have 3.03, and my date fields are in the form "07-Feb-07", not like those shown below.

      View Postrdsok, on Jan 31 2007, 01:12 PM, said:

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      While I can clear them out, hit Apply, get an "ok!" message, and hit Quit, if I press config again, it's back to the default settings (3 trials, start today, end 1 month from today).

      What you need to do is not check your values, as they will be set back to the default times. When I changed the number of trials from 3 to 5 and the end date to more than a month, I noticed the ini file was updated. So, much like the Rotisserie Oven by Ronco, set the values, and forget it. It should technically be ok at compile time.
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        Posted 07 February 2007 - 12:32 PM

        Yikes - aside from some people not seeming to be able to understand the answers in this thread and re-asking the same question, this seems to be 'biting' a fair number of people and/or attracting a decent amount of attention...

        Maybe this has been mentioned in other topics/conversations about this feature, and maybe I don't understand how this works by 'default' but since this seems to be getting in the way of some people using the project, would you guys consider trying a different approach in how it works? I'm not super fluent in the build process but perhaps you can change things around so that the INI file includes a generic 'number of days' value pair by default (say start = 30, end = 60) that (at build time) could be processed and then rewritten into hard adjusted expiry dates based on the current date of the system that the build is being done on? Of course I'd expect that you would still want to be able to manually run the config tool and hard set whatever values you want, which at that point would not be 'auto-adjusted' at build time... I'd also suggest getting rid of repopulating the internal default values every time the config tool is run since... as of the latest post before mine, some people still have not realized that rerunning the config tool resets the expiration dates from whatever they may have changed them to?

        Default INI file - if detected by script during build process, the date values could be adjusted based on current time on build machine. If detected by config tool, the date values would read in the gui like "30 days from now" and "60 days from now"
        [Shell]
        PreLogonPasswd=
        PreLogonPasswdHardDisk=
        PreLogonTrials=1
        PreLogonCryptedExpirationDateStart=30
        PreLogonCryptedExpirationDateEnd=60
        PrelogonTitelbarCaption=UBCD4Win 3.04


        Modified INI file - if detected by script during build process, the date fields would be left alone and there would be no expiration date. If detected by config tool, the date values would no longer be auto-filled with internal defaults...
        [Shell]
        PreLogonPasswd=
        PreLogonPasswdHardDisk=
        PreLogonTrials=1
        PreLogonCryptedExpirationDateStart=
        PreLogonCryptedExpirationDateEnd=
        PrelogonTitelbarCaption=UBCD4Win 3.04


        And if the file were to be written by config tool or manually edited with hard adjusted dates (1/31/2007 & 2/28/2007) then things would work as above as well with no build-time adjustment, but the expiry being enforced as specified as well as not being overwritten by rerunning the config tool.

        my two cents...

        Edit- I'd also suggest that if an expiration is detected (but not yet expired) when booting into the UBCD4Win environment, that some additional pre-shell message is shown to indicate how many days left before use of the CD expires... Maybe that's already there and I just haven't seen it...

        This post has been edited by steje: 07 February 2007 - 12:55 PM

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          Posted 07 February 2007 - 12:42 PM

          It was not supposed to be enabled by default... that was a mistake in the details made when compiling this latest version that just got overlooked.
          Plan A is always more effective when the device you are working on understands that Plan B involves either a large hammer or screwdriver....
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            Post icon  Posted 07 February 2007 - 03:07 PM

            rdsok is right. Fortunately we are working on new methods of possibly providing very small patches that install easily and update the latest version so that things like this can be fixed with a few mouse clicks instead of having to edit files manually. Hopefully we will have some sort of easy patch system in place soon to deal with issues just like this one. Sorry for the inconvenience otherwise. Thanks.



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              Posted 07 February 2007 - 05:02 PM

              View PostKCarney, on Jan 29 2007, 02:09 PM, said:

              Ah, I did not know that was a built in feature. Thank you for enlightening me. I have only one problem with pressing the Config button.
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              I am running Windows Server 2003 Standard SP1

              Update: Had to copy the DLL and register it, its working now.


              I am not sure how to add this file to my computer to fix the prelogin problem. Anyone care to enlighten me? I appreciate your help.
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                Posted 07 February 2007 - 06:15 PM

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                  Posted 08 February 2007 - 01:38 AM

                  I had this error pop up the other day and after applying this fix now I get an different error: Error: StarBurn_CdvdBurnerGrabber_VerifyFile() failed, LBA 0, exception 8, status 25552608, text 'CStarBurn_ScsiTransportSPTI::ExecuteCDB(): Command failed' - I renamed the directory and tried it from a fresh download with no updates and get same error. I didn't find that file in the UBCD4WIN\oem1\Joshuas-PreShell directory, but found it doing a search in D:\UBCD4WIN303\plugin\!Critical\Config-PreLogon. I had a copy in the system32 dir but was different size so I renamed and copied over the copy from the build. I'm not sure if this Error is associated with the file but odd coinsidence of timing.

                  I'm using XP Pro SP2

                  Any suggestions?

                  Edit - If I burn with ImageBurn the cd works fine so the ISO appears to be good.

                  This post has been edited by The Piney: 08 February 2007 - 01:40 AM

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                    Posted 08 February 2007 - 08:50 AM

                    View PostThe Piney, on Feb 8 2007, 01:38 AM, said:

                    I had this error pop up the other day and after applying this fix now I get an different error: Error: StarBurn_CdvdBurnerGrabber_VerifyFile() failed, LBA 0, exception 8, status 25552608, text 'CStarBurn_ScsiTransportSPTI::ExecuteCDB(): Command failed' - I renamed the directory and tried it from a fresh download with no updates and get same error. I didn't find that file in the UBCD4WIN\oem1\Joshuas-PreShell directory, but found it doing a search in D:\UBCD4WIN303\plugin\!Critical\Config-PreLogon. I had a copy in the system32 dir but was different size so I renamed and copied over the copy from the build. I'm not sure if this Error is associated with the file but odd coinsidence of timing.

                    I'm using XP Pro SP2

                    Any suggestions?

                    Edit - If I burn with ImageBurn the cd works fine so the ISO appears to be good.

                    I've hit some errors with Starburn. I switched to cdrecord which seems to work more reliably for me.
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                      Posted 10 February 2007 - 04:51 PM

                      View Postrdsok, on Jan 31 2007, 01:12 PM, said:

                      For those that may require a visual tutorial on how to perform these steps properly...


                      1. Open the UBCD4WinBuilder.exe

                      2. Next, click on the Plugins button.


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                      3. Highlight the plugin named "!Critical: Joshuas-WinPE-PreLogon Config

                      4. Next, click the Config button below.


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                      5. Locate the Number of Trials, Expiration date start: and Expiration date end: fields


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                      6. Empty the values that are set there now

                      7. Next, click the Apply button


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                      8. The following confirmation window will appear, click on its OK button...


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                      9. Click the Quit button on the PreLogon Config window....


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                      Rebuild the project and you are done... it should no longer expire after that and does not require you to make futher changes unless you want to config it to expire of set a password in the future.

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                        Post icon  Posted 10 February 2007 - 05:00 PM

                        Thank you rdsok, I followed your tutorial and was able to get rid of the "expiration date" message that I got on my very first boot of the disk. . After using your fix, I've re-booted 5 times and the message never again appeared. Hopefully it will stay this way.... Mackie
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                          Posted 11 February 2007 - 12:01 AM

                          Your welcome... but it really wasn't a fix... it was a configuration change that is all.

                          It was more like setting a clock to the proper time... the clock wasn't broken so no fix was needed.
                          Plan A is always more effective when the device you are working on understands that Plan B involves either a large hammer or screwdriver....
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                            Posted 03 March 2007 - 06:32 PM

                            View Postrdsok, on Feb 7 2007, 06:42 PM, said:

                            It was not supposed to be enabled by default... that was a mistake in the details made when compiling this latest version that just got overlooked.

                            (My english is a bit old...)
                            Hi, I'm a french Newbie. I was so impatient to get a standard usable recovery tool at home that I missed the point with the Joshua's prelogon thing. I supposed that the defaults would do for a first try. This ended up in 'Expiration Date Reached!' . Too bad for me, but predictable. Now, I apologise : YES I should have tested it before burning, and YES tutorials are here to be read, not just to decorate. Thanks for every detailed info I read in this thread.
                            Just an info : I was looking for a NTFS read/write tool in order to restore a system disk backed up with 'Drive Image XML' , but know that restoring to current system disk is impossible unless you boot from elsewhere. And I have no room/time to install 2 copies of my XP (one used only for restore purpose). So your project is welcome.
                            I shall rebuild everything with empty values for prelogon, paying attention to each and every plugin now, and carefully reading the tutorials too. I knew I would have to 'read the manual', but not so early
                            Thanks all again for your job, and special thanks to LittlBUGer's download page. I'm really impressed by this project.
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                              Posted 03 March 2007 - 07:22 PM

                              Thanks for the feedback and sorry about the errors/issues. We should hopefully have a new version released very soon so people will not have these issues anymore. I am sure the project will be able to help you!!!
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                                Posted 05 March 2007 - 05:08 PM

                                View PostSteelTrepid, on Mar 4 2007, 01:22 AM, said:

                                Thanks for the feedback ...[]


                                You know what ? ... I'm happy , as Snoopy says. CD rebuilt and of course working fine as expected.
                                Thanks M. Burrows , I took time to read a few help topics included with the ubcd4win303 resulting CD. First message on this forum, and I did not know that you SteelTrepid are the #1 person entitled to answer questions, because you originated the project. I still have a lot to read and understand but Emergency data copy and DriveImageXML system restore were my only aims so far. Everything's right. Thank you twice !
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