Here is a rough assignment of programs to categories, to get us started. Please comment on any misplacements, missing applications or suggestions on how to lay this out the best we can.

Please note the categories have already been chosen in a previous discussion and should be used to assign the programs where possible.

• Antivirus Tools
  AV Personal
  McAfee Stinger
  Trend Micro Sysclean
  ______________________________________________________
• Applications
  Wordpad
  Calculator
  Paint
  PDF Reader
  POPcorn
  K-Meleon
  Scribe
  ______________________________________________________
• CD Burning Tools
  DeepBurner
  Express Burn
  Small CD Writer
  ______________________________________________________
• Disk Tools -
• ` Backup & Cloning
  Disk Image
  Image Maker
  Lexun's DrvClonerXP
  DrvImagerXP
  Disk Copy (Floppy) - MOVED BY LITTLBUGER
  ______________________________________________________
• ` Defrag
  DefragNT
  DIRMS Defragger
  ______________________________________________________
• ` Diagnostic
  DiskCheck
  Disk Investigator - MOVED BY LITTLBUGER
  PassMark Disk Checkup
  HDTune
  TestDisk
  WD Windiag
  Check Disk
  Bart Suff Test
  ______________________________________________________
• ` Partition
  MbrFix
  MBRWizard
  ______________________________________________________
• ` Security
  Drive Erase
  Disk Wipe
  Eraser
  HD Cleaner - MOVED BY LITTLBUGER
  ______________________________________________________
• File Management -
• ` Compression
  IZArc
  ______________________________________________________
• ` Explorers
  A43 File Management Utility
  Agent Ransack (Search program)
  ExplorerXP
  Explore2fs
  WinDir Stat - MOVED BY LITTLBUGER
  ______________________________________________________
• ` Recovery
  Unstoppable Copier
  DBXtract - MOVED BY LITTLBUGER
  File Recovery
  Free Undelete
  Fab's AutoBackup
  Floppy Repair - MOVED BY LITTLBUGER
  Lexun's SectorSpyXP
  Recovery Manager - MOVED BY LITTLBUGER
  Restoration - MOVED BY LITTLBUGER
  UnChk - MOVED BY LITTLBUGER
  
  ______________________________________________________
• Malware Tools
  Ad-Aware
  CWShredder
  EZPCFix
  HijackThis
  SpyBot SD
  ______________________________________________________
• Network Tools
  Dialup Networking
  Start Network and Dialup Services
  IPScan
  Network Stumbler
  Putty (SHH)
  Show Traffic
  Ultra VNC
  VNC Neighborhood 1.1.8
  Real VNC Server
  Tight VNC Viewer
  Remote Desktop Connection
  FileZilla
  ______________________________________________________
• Password Tools
  Password Renew
  CMOS PWD Tools
  KeyfinderPE
  InsidePro Tools - MOVED BY LITTLBUGER
  Passwords Pro
  ______________________________________________________
• Registry Tools
  Erunt
  NtRegOpt
  Registry Brws
  RegCleaner
  Registry Editor PE
  Registry Restore Wizard
  X-Setup Pro
  ______________________________________________________
• Shell Features
  BGInfo
  Install Devices (HWPnP) - MOVED BY LITTLBUGER
  Force Install USB (HWPnP) - MOVED BY LITTLBUGER
  ______________________________________________________
• System Information -
• ` Information & Diagnostic Tools
  AIDA32
  Everest Home Edition 1.11
  Everest Home Edition 1.51
  IDE drive information
  MemTest - MOVED BY LITTLBUGER
  Unknown Devices
  WinAudit
  WinCPUID
  Windows Update List
  ______________________________________________________
• ` Stress Test & Benchmark Tools
  Prime95
  Quickbench

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UNASSIGNED PROGRAMS
File Management - Copy Handler
Linux Utilities - R-Linux


This list was generated from the original menu of 2.41 programs. I have pushed the ones I'm fairly certain off under the catergory menus. The unassigned progs, are shown in the menu structure of 2.41 (so these need to be placed within the new structure above).

LittlBUGer I hope I've not stepped on your toes, I know you were producing a list of progs. I know your a busy man so hopefully saved you time and not wasted it ?

Yes, thanks for doing that as I haven't even had time yet to get something going. What I would suggest though, if Steel doesn't have a problem with this, is if we really can't find a place to put those unassigned ones (say they just don't fit into the other categories), then maybe we need a whole new category called Misc. for apps like that. Just a suggestion though and thanks for all of your work.

After saying that, here's some thing I noticed:

X-Setup Pro should go under Registry Tools
Remote Desktop Connection should go under Network Tools
Scribe should go under Applications
FileZilla should go under Network Tools
Explore2fs should go under File Management-Explorers
And so on and so forth... They seem kind of obvious to me.

Just my 2 cents...

Must of them will fit but some of them I'm not sure what they do ! (And didn't have time to test)
So I've left them at the bottom so people can see the unassigned ones and suggest where to place them within the menu structure, if we still have some awkard ones we can amend the structure (Hopefully this will not be nessary).

Once we have a few suggestions of placements I'll post a new list up so people can see the work in progress.

Hopefully this is ok with Steel and everyone ?

*** Edit ****
I've amended the first list with your suggestions above LittlBUGer, and yeah they were obvious lol, just couldn't see the wood for trees
****************************************************************

Good list. Hopefully I will have more time later tonight to offer more feedback. I'm trying to wrap up a lot of stuff this afternoon, I go back to work tomorrow morning!

One quick comment though, I would like to keep the "accessories" group for the 3 items that are actually from XP. You currently have them in "applications". Just a thought, that they should probably stay there so everyone realizes they are the XP applications.

Good point Steel,
Would it be better to have a submenu though under Applications -> Accessories, that way the root menu would not be too long, and still have the programs listed as in xp?

ie
Applications
PDF Reader
POPcorn
K-Meleon
Scribe

` Accessiories
Paint
Wordpad
Calculator

If, we run out of room that could be an option. Currently I don't think the list is too long.

I'm going to edit the first post soon to put some of the unassigned ones in their proper place. I will note next to each one that I moved them there, in case my throughts weren't justified. Thanks.

After moving stuff, I'm still thinking we need a "General" or "Misc." category...

Thanks LittlBUGer, changes look good. Except I would place the mem test in Stress Test & Benchmark Tools as it stresses the memory ?.


I'm in the school of thought that if the categories are right in the first place, then we shouldn't need a misc category , maybe thats the librarian in me trying to get out ?

Can someone offer suggestions on these :-

File Management - Copy Handler No Idea what this is ??
File Management - HD Cleaner - No idea what this is ??
File Management - WinDir Stat - - Directory info, perhaps File Management Explorer?
Linux Utilities - R-Linux - No idea what this is ??
Recovery Tools - Floppy Repair - This turns bad floppies into useable ones, no recovery of data though (where should this be placed ?).
System Tools - Disk Copy (Floppy) - LittlBUGer can you move this to Disk Tools - Backup/Cloning please

Below should be in shell tools ?
System Tools - Install Devices (HWPnP)
System Tools - Force Install USB (HWPnP)

@Batfink & lawson23

Just wanted to acknowledge your work with the menu structure and the "Windows vs PE" autorun menu ideas from another thread. As something of a menu freak myself, I appreciate all your ideas and work.

Just a word or two about the "Windows vs PE" autorun menu... I'm a proponent of separate menus that are geared toward each environment. A while back, I went through my list of apps for my personal PE build, and constructed a menu for the Windows environment that only shows apps which will run or should only be run from Windows (e.g. ERUNT, some system PW apps, etc.). Apps which should not be run from PE were removed from the standard nu2menu.

An easy way to accomplish this (for the Windows nu2menu environment) is to merely construct a menu by hand (easiest way is probably take the final nu2menu.xml that PE Builder makes and then cut/copy/paste until you have it looking perfect). Make a new plugin (name of your choice, but we'll use WinNu2menu), and place your "Windows" xml file along with nu2menu.exe in the plugin folder. Modify the autorun.inf in the nu2menu folder to open=Programs\WinNu2menu\nu2menu.exe. Now, when the CD is placed in the tray while Windows is running, a customized menu with only apps that will work from Windows or PE will show - nothing else. When booted from CD, the normal UBCD4Win menu will show, but will contain only apps that will in fact, work from within PE.

I'm back in the bushes...

DW

I don't know what this project would do with out the wisdom and experience from OUR old man. Priceless as always!!

I'm a bit tired and depressed (because my vacation is hours away from being over) so I must ask, would this be an easy addon to the project? Sounds like we could do this but, since my brain is only 1% functional at the moment, I must ask this.

I think it would be great if we could do it like DigiWiz proposed.

@Batfink
I put MemTest under Diagnostics as because it does stress the RAM, it's for diagnostical purposes, so it could go either way. I'll move those other ones though...

Easy doesn't begin to describe it

Adding it is piece of cake - the hard work involves someone (some folks) going through each and every app and testing to see if it runs OK from the CD while in XP , or conversely, tesing each and every app from within PE and noting those that don't work 100% - but it looks like we have a number of talented folks willing to donate their time and expertise to tackle these issues.

I suppose those who would want to try their hand at this could submit their xml files to me or Steel for testing, and once everyone's satisfied that it's working as intended, I'll write a quick plugin (actually, it's already written), and distrubute it as an add-on - which would really only involve adding a folder and files to the plugin folder.

DW

I think the linux tools need to stay together as they are in the present menu, separating them I think is a mistake.

If we can have 2 menu structures that would be great

Two menus sounds like the ideal answer, is it possible digiwiz to move the start button on the cd to a different location when running from within windows (So it does not clash with the hosts)

Yeah, your right as usual. <_< Makes more sense under there on 2nd thought .


We need another category, perhaps called Linux Lools, and move explore2fs from file explorer to this aswell as the last unassigned linux tool.

Does anyone know what this is ?, this is the last thing to assign !
File Management - Copy Handler

I take that's a typo and it should be tools?

Copy Handler is a file copier which trys to optimise file copying speed, it's very useful it you need to copy large amounts of data.

Run it on your PC and have a play around with it, as it doesn't require installing.

Thanks stidyup , yeah that should be tools!.

Sounds cool, i'm not where the ubcd files are at the moment but will take a look later. I vote to place it under File Management - Recovery.

I was reading the other thread and briefly through this one and some people were asking about adding files to the disk but not having them in the menu. I did not see anybody else cover this so I'll chime in. The latest version of nu2menu does allow for hidden menu entries and can be used easily to have menu entries only show up in windows or on the pe disk in case you guys did not know that.

I was planning on doing that with my menus also but have switched to working using blackbox for my shell since geo kind of messes up sometimes. so I'm going to go back through my menu entries for that first then go back and clean up mu nu2menu entries to show up under windows or pe correctly.

Below is the final list with every program assigned to there respective categories. Please recheck this for any misplacements.

• Antivirus Tools
  AV Personal
  McAfee Stinger
  Trend Micro Sysclean
  ______________________________________________________
  
• Applications
  Wordpad
  Calculator
  Paint
  PDF Reader
  POPcorn
  K-Meleon
  Scribe
  ______________________________________________________
  
• CD Burning Tools
  DeepBurner
  Express Burn
  Small CD Writer
  ______________________________________________________
  
• Disk Tools -
  
• ` Backup & Cloning
  Disk Image
  Image Maker
  Lexun's DrvClonerXP
  DrvImagerXP
  Disk Copy (Floppy)
  ______________________________________________________
  
• ` Defrag
  DefragNT
  DIRMS Defragger
  ______________________________________________________
  
• ` Diagnostic
  DiskCheck
  PassMark Disk Checkup
  HDTune
  WD Windiag
  Check Disk
  Bart Suff Test
  ______________________________________________________
  
• ` Partition
  MbrFix
  MBRWizard
  TestDisk
  ______________________________________________________
  
• ` Security
  Drive Erase
  Disk Wipe
  Eraser
  HD Cleaner
  ______________________________________________________
  
• File Management -
  
• ` Compression
  IZArc
  ______________________________________________________
  
• ` Explorers
  A43 File Management Utility
  Agent Ransack
  ExplorerXP
  WinDir Stat
  ______________________________________________________
  
• ` Recovery
  Unstoppable Copier
  Copy Handler
  DBXtract
  Disk Investigator
  File Recovery
  Free Undelete
  Fab's AutoBackup
  Floppy Repair
  Lexun's SectorSpyXP
  Recovery Manager
  Restoration
  UnChk
  ______________________________________________________
  
• Linux Tools
  Explore2fs
  R-Linux
  ______________________________________________________
  
• Malware Tools
  Ad-Aware
  CWShredder
  EZPCFix
  HijackThis
  SpyBot SD
  ______________________________________________________
  
• Network Tools
  Dialup Networking
  Start Network and Dialup Services
  IPScan
  Network Stumbler
  Putty (SHH)
  Show Traffic
  Ultra VNC
  VNC Neighborhood 1.1.8
  Real VNC Server
  Tight VNC Viewer
  Remote Desktop Connection
  FileZilla
  ______________________________________________________
  
• Password Tools
  Password Renew
  CMOS PWD Tools
  KeyfinderPE
  InsidePro Tools
  Passwords Pro
  ______________________________________________________
  
• Registry Tools
  Erunt
  NtRegOpt
  Registry Brws
  RegCleaner
  Registry Editor PE
  Registry Restore Wizard
  X-Setup Pro
  ______________________________________________________
  
• Shell Features
  BGInfo
  Install Devices (HWPnP)
  Force Install USB (HWPnP)
  ______________________________________________________
  
• System Information -
• ` Information & Diagnostic Tools
  AIDA32
  Everest Home Edition 1.11
  Everest Home Edition 1.51
  IDE drive information
  MemTest - MOVED BY LITTLBUGER
  Unknown Devices
  WinAudit
  WinCPUID
  Windows Update List
  ______________________________________________________
  
• ` Stress Test & Benchmark Tools
  Prime95
  Quickbench

Are we there yet ?

For dual menus we need to mark each one as being capable of running from UBCD4WIN, WINDOWS or BOTH. {U/W/B}

AND

If we are to implement the beta menu idea were going to need the status of each program. IE No Problems or working with issues {NP,!}

I would argue that disk investigator needs to be under recovery rather than diagnostic as it's a file recovery program.

I would also say that TestDisk should be under partition along side mbrfix and wizard rather than diagnostic.

I would agree stidyup,

Can an administrator amend the list, to include the suggestions of stidyup ?

Thanks

Done.

steel would you like me to update the XML files? I can do this very easily for you. Your choice. What I can't do is the seperation of the menus. But I could post the XML zip and allow Digiwiz to work on the next version. Those apps need to be defined before we move to that point anyways.

Let me know I'm available to help.

Also could you update the list to a conclusion to the Accessories topic?
Applications
PDF Reader
POPcorn
K-Meleon
Scribe

` Accessiories
Paint
Wordpad
Calculator

I believe Steel wants it to be:
Applications
PDF Reader
POPcorn
K-Meleon
Scribe

Accessories
Paint
Wordpad
Calculator

Ok all the necessary changes have been made to my personal beta menu except:

SHELL FEATURES
Install Devices (HWPnP)
Force Install USB (HWPnP)

REGISTRY TOOLS
NtRegOpt

I could not find where these are.

Also on another note.

-The Cisco VPN Tools are not listed. We used to have them in Network Tools.
-Also there is a plugin called Ultrareader which I can't find in the menu but the plugin exist and we don't have it categorized.
-And the Unix Utilities should these have menu structure?

Here is an updated list of none updated XML files
autorun_nu2menu.xml
ramdmenu.xml
geoshell_nu2menu.xml
unixutils_nu2menu.xml
keyboard_nu2menu.xml
aspi_nu2menu.xml
peinst_nu2menu.xml
penetcfg_nu2menu.xml
viewchmhlp_nu2menu.xml
bartpe_nu2menu.xml
PPPOE_nu2menu.xml -2k3
PPPOE_nu2menu.xml -XP
peloader_nu2menu.xml
ultrareader.xml

I have posted the zip file that over rights all the XML files and will structure what I have done. Please look for it at jamielawson.com/ubcd/plugin_xml_02.zip (case sensitive)
This way anyone can use/examine or help with this if they would like.

This is totally beta and should be installed as such. Just extract into your main PE build dir.

Steel if you want this removed please let me know.

NtRegOpt - This shows in the Registry Tools area anyways because it was located there before. I just can't find how it is defined. Not a big deal since it doesn't need to be changed.

The Shell Features I can't find in the current 2.41 menu.

Also an application I noticed in the 2.41 menu was Drive Snapshot but don't see it in the list.

ooops, I made the list from my boot cd. But I had fogotten I had added this plugin to get the gig e working on the nforce 3. This can be removed. Sorry for any confusion.



As for this I'm not sure? Can someone check with a vanilla build ?.


Thanks lawson I can't wait to check it out !.

Forget Drive Snapshot.
I think I know what happened there. I didn't follow the dir. when building my 2.41 test ISO that I use for comparing.

What I didn't follow was the DELETE THE PLUGIN DIR before writing the 2.4 and 2.41 files.

This just affects my iso build and was confusing me when it came to looking at the modified version. So please disregard DriveSnapshot.

Just checked it out, great work lawson.

A couple of things :-

The menus have lost the & sign, ie in Backup & Cloning its Backup Cloning

The Shell tools only has BGINFO in it, which is no use as a tool so can we remove it from the menu in UBCD4WIN (as its loaded at startup) ?


How do I change the position in the menu for plugins I've added. (As I would like these to conform to the new menu structure). Which file needs a changing ?

Thanks again, great work.

The list seems complete now, unless any one else has a opinion on the matter?

We still didn't discuss Ultrareader.
What is this app that is a plugin but doesn't display a menu option?
Should it be in the menu and list of tools?
___________________________________________________________
What about the Cisco VPN install? As we usually don't enable this plugin it still is a tool available. This should maybe noted in the List of tools also. Tools that are not enabled automatically have a NOTE mark for them. Or some indicator. I will leave that to Steel.
__________________________________________________________
Also what about Shell Features? Keep it in the list so that it is on the list of tools but what about the MENU?
___________________________________________________________
Also on another note. Some of the names of the apps have been changed in the current list. I didn't modify this in the XML files. We need to decide what to do in this situation. Either we keep the original name or we modify them to what we want them to say. I think we are getting into a lot of work doing this. An example of this is:
MENU - "WD WinDlg" - Original Name
LIST - "WD Windiag"
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Here is an updated list of non updated XML files (I missed two last time I made this list)
autorun_nu2menu.xml
ramdmenu.xml
geoshell_nu2menu.xml
unixutils_nu2menu.xml
keyboard_nu2menu.xml
aspi_nu2menu.xml
peinst_nu2menu.xml
penetcfg_nu2menu.xml
viewchmhlp_nu2menu.xml
bartpe_nu2menu.xml
PPPOE_nu2menu.xml -2k3
PPPOE_nu2menu.xml -XP
peloader_nu2menu.xml
ultrareader.xml
ciscovpn_nu2menu.xml
nu2shell_nu2menu.xml
____________________________________________________________
Batfink as for you questions.
First thank you secondly you are correct in the & stand I noticed that and forgot to mention it. We may want to look at something else since the & isn't showing in the menu.

How do you change the position in the menu. You need to edit the XML files for your plugins (usually - XXX_nu2menu.xml) and add them to either a current menu or you create a new menu (nu2menu.xml) and add them to that. As far as the position (pdfreader first then K-melon) I'm not completely sure on this one. I have an idea but don't want to post something that wouldn't work. If this is important to you PM me and I will further investigate my idea of how.

Has a decision been made on what to do about the & sign?
Is there a way to fix this? Or a different character? Maybe we should change all of them to "and". Steel is getting ready to release a new version of the MENU and it would be nice to have this cleared up.

Steel your thoughts?

There is a very easy fix for the "&" sign and have it show up in the menus.

Instead of one & sign, replace each instance with two & signs and all is fixed.

Example: Backup & Cloning should be Backup && Cloning

This will fix your problem.

Your other alternative is to use a forward-slash Backup/Cloning which is a legal command.

Hope that helps.

Carry on Bros...

DW

I think Keyfinder should be moved from Password tools (since it has nothing to do with Passwords) to
System Information Tools
-Information & Diagnostic Tools

KeyFinder has been moved. I'm doing my finishing touches on the menu and making sure all the new tools added to the project work. Things look pretty good so far for a 4/4/05 release.

TestDisk???

I finally had a play with testdisk for real yesterday I think we may have it in the wrong category or it may need a dual entry.

One in the partition section the other in file recovery.

It seems to me that TestDisk is a very powerful piece of data recovery software, which the average user may not realise, whether the average user has the skills needed to effectively use it is another matter.

What do others think?

is there any hope on fixing the copy to hard drive routine sad.gif

What exactly do you mean? I'm sorry I just don't totally understand what you are talking about.