If anybody has tried this, or knows how I can get started, please let me know!
Thanks
Full Version: Run UBCD from hard drive?
Is it possible to take an empty hard drive and boot the HD with UBCD instead from a CD , I know it kinda defeats the purpose of UBCD, but it is the Ultimate boot operating system in my opinion. Id like to get rid of my XP crap install thats over 2GB, and just use what ive modified on my UBCD which is 700MB, run it off my hard drive instead..
If anybody has tried this, or knows how I can get started, please let me know!
Thanks
If anybody has tried this, or knows how I can get started, please let me know!
Thanks
As this has been said before...
The UBCD4Win and/or BartPE is NOT meant to be used a full-fledged OS, neither do they operate in that matter. They are only for temporary recovery purposes, and that's about it. You can't use them for more than 24 hours (I believe) and you can't have a ton of processes running at once. They just don't work the same as a full-blown OS does either. What you want to do is illegal (MS will especially think so) and is NOT recommended in any way.
Thank you.
The UBCD4Win and/or BartPE is NOT meant to be used a full-fledged OS, neither do they operate in that matter. They are only for temporary recovery purposes, and that's about it. You can't use them for more than 24 hours (I believe) and you can't have a ton of processes running at once. They just don't work the same as a full-blown OS does either. What you want to do is illegal (MS will especially think so) and is NOT recommended in any way.
Thank you.
Well that's just sick...
Considering I've been using UBCD for almost a year now, it works like a regular operating system. A CD, or DVD is just a form of storage, you can find support for running UBCD from a USB Drive, there is no difference..
I own many Legal CD keys of XP home, pro and 98SE, so Im not worried about doing anything Illegal, ive been a computer administrator for over 10 yrs and I always try to find nifty ways of making my life easier with MS/OS
The reason you cant have tons of processes running in UBCD is because your running from virtual memory, and your doing CD drive request like MAD, of course its never going to be as stable as running from a Hard Drive...
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Your Welcome
Considering I've been using UBCD for almost a year now, it works like a regular operating system. A CD, or DVD is just a form of storage, you can find support for running UBCD from a USB Drive, there is no difference..
I own many Legal CD keys of XP home, pro and 98SE, so Im not worried about doing anything Illegal, ive been a computer administrator for over 10 yrs and I always try to find nifty ways of making my life easier with MS/OS
The reason you cant have tons of processes running in UBCD is because your running from virtual memory, and your doing CD drive request like MAD, of course its never going to be as stable as running from a Hard Drive...
Edit:
Your Welcome
@negativerad
I personnally don't see why you wouldn't be able to do this. The only thing I can see an issue with is the Boot part of it.
There is some time limitation. Not sure exactly what it is.
But give it a shot.
Here is some helpful info.
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=14164&hl=
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=13332&hl=
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=13285&hl=
Good luck
@LittlBUGer
Why is this illegal? Why would it be ok on a CD but not a Hard Drive?
I personnally don't see why you wouldn't be able to do this. The only thing I can see an issue with is the Boot part of it.
There is some time limitation. Not sure exactly what it is.
But give it a shot.
Here is some helpful info.
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=14164&hl=
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=13332&hl=
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=13285&hl=
Good luck
@LittlBUGer
Why is this illegal? Why would it be ok on a CD but not a Hard Drive?
LittlBUGer is saying it's illegal in some cases. We've been asked this type of question before in the past, well except for the part that this user said about not using XP after installing UBCD4Win on his HDD. Basically in the past, users have implied that they use the CD as an OS.
In those cases, for example: A person owns several computers. Only own's one license for XP. Builds 2 CD's and run's UBCD4Win on 2 computers, while still using XP on his "main" system. THAT would be illegal. He's using his single license on 3 systems at the same time.
In this case: This user may only own one computer. He doesn't want the 2gig bloat of XP, so he creates UBCD4Win. Erases the XP install from the system and then installs UBCD4Win as his OS. That would be one use of his license, so I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be illegal.
I hope that I've been clear enough about this and everyone understands.
As for HDD install, I've personally never tried it. Maybe I need to fire up one of those P2's I have in the corner and give it a try (I own plenty of licenses). There is a plugin in the project called "peinst." It's supposed to install BPE or UBCD4Win to a HDD, etc.
Give it a try and let us know how things work out for you. I'll try to find time to do this myself some day so I can be of more help with this in the future.
In those cases, for example: A person owns several computers. Only own's one license for XP. Builds 2 CD's and run's UBCD4Win on 2 computers, while still using XP on his "main" system. THAT would be illegal. He's using his single license on 3 systems at the same time.
In this case: This user may only own one computer. He doesn't want the 2gig bloat of XP, so he creates UBCD4Win. Erases the XP install from the system and then installs UBCD4Win as his OS. That would be one use of his license, so I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be illegal.
I hope that I've been clear enough about this and everyone understands.
As for HDD install, I've personally never tried it. Maybe I need to fire up one of those P2's I have in the corner and give it a try (I own plenty of licenses). There is a plugin in the project called "peinst." It's supposed to install BPE or UBCD4Win to a HDD, etc.
Give it a try and let us know how things work out for you. I'll try to find time to do this myself some day so I can be of more help with this in the future.
Here is some more information straight from Bart's website as well:
Thus, I was thinking back to when there was a time and process limit, etc. :-\
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Q: In what way is BartPE limited compared to a normal Windows XP installation?
A: BartPE has these limitations:
-To reduce its size, only a subset of the available Win32 APIs is included. Included are I/O (disk and network) and core Win32 APIs.
-Distributed File System (DFS) name resolution is not supported.
-The drive letters assigned during BartPE are not saved to any registry that persists when you reboot. The drive letter assignment when you create partitions is in the order of creation, but the drive letter assignments when you reboot will be in the default order.
-BartPE requires a VGA-compatible device and uses a screen resolution of 800 x 600 pixels. If BartPE cannot detect video settings, the default screen resolution is 640 x 480 pixels.
-BartPE is too large to fit on a floppy disk.
A: BartPE has these limitations:
-To reduce its size, only a subset of the available Win32 APIs is included. Included are I/O (disk and network) and core Win32 APIs.
-Distributed File System (DFS) name resolution is not supported.
-The drive letters assigned during BartPE are not saved to any registry that persists when you reboot. The drive letter assignment when you create partitions is in the order of creation, but the drive letter assignments when you reboot will be in the default order.
-BartPE requires a VGA-compatible device and uses a screen resolution of 800 x 600 pixels. If BartPE cannot detect video settings, the default screen resolution is 640 x 480 pixels.
-BartPE is too large to fit on a floppy disk.
QUOTE
Q: Does PE Builder remove the 24 hour time limit?
A: Older versions of PE Builder do not remove the 24 hour time limit.
Versions 3.0.33 and higher do remove the 24 hour time limit!
Q: Does PE Builder remove the "can only start 6 processes" limit?
A: Older versions of PE Builder do not remove the user resources limit.
Versions 3.0.33 and higher do remove the user resources limit!
A: Older versions of PE Builder do not remove the 24 hour time limit.
Versions 3.0.33 and higher do remove the 24 hour time limit!
Q: Does PE Builder remove the "can only start 6 processes" limit?
A: Older versions of PE Builder do not remove the user resources limit.
Versions 3.0.33 and higher do remove the user resources limit!
QUOTE
When using BartPE you should know that:
It is legal to make a "backup copy" of ANY files from your original Windows XP/2003 media to another media.
It is legal to add any other files you wish to the backup media.
It is not legal to use a BartPE CD and an installed Windows XP/2003 both at the same time under the same Windows XP/2003 EULA.
It is not legal to change any binary files in the process according to the Windows XP/2003 EULA. This makes "winlogon" and "bootscreen" hacks illegal.
A BartPE image is (and I quote) "not a properly licensed WinPE". This means that if you want to have a licensed WinPE, you cannot use BartPE. However, you can use a BartPE image under the license of the Windows XP/2003 EULA that came with the BartPE XP/2003 source media.
It is legal to make a "backup copy" of ANY files from your original Windows XP/2003 media to another media.
It is legal to add any other files you wish to the backup media.
It is not legal to use a BartPE CD and an installed Windows XP/2003 both at the same time under the same Windows XP/2003 EULA.
It is not legal to change any binary files in the process according to the Windows XP/2003 EULA. This makes "winlogon" and "bootscreen" hacks illegal.
A BartPE image is (and I quote) "not a properly licensed WinPE". This means that if you want to have a licensed WinPE, you cannot use BartPE. However, you can use a BartPE image under the license of the Windows XP/2003 EULA that came with the BartPE XP/2003 source media.
Thus, I was thinking back to when there was a time and process limit, etc. :-\
Well I tried "peinst", did the transfer everything went smoothly, then did a boot without the CD and after the windows xp logo i get a blank screen, just a whole lotta nothing. So i'll try it on another machine and see what happends. Maybe this thread belongs in the BartPE forum 
I'll post back what happends on my other Box.
EDIT:
Ok, so i got it working.
I copied over all contents with in the I386 folder into the minint folder, for some reason the "peinst" utility didnt do a good job at copying everything, I used the A43 File management utility to copy over the files.
I just found a swap plugin so i think with that it should run very smoothly.
I'll post back what happends on my other Box.
EDIT:
Ok, so i got it working.
I copied over all contents with in the I386 folder into the minint folder, for some reason the "peinst" utility didnt do a good job at copying everything, I used the A43 File management utility to copy over the files.
I just found a swap plugin so i think with that it should run very smoothly.
Glad to hear.
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