[hilander999]

Gollum, on Feb 22 2009, 05:59 AM, said:

Are they heavy?

This question has yet to be answered...

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Text book examples clearly evidence that the mass of things in our material world is essentially made up of nucleons, i.e. protons and neutrons. Protons and neutrons belong to a group of particles which are called hadrons (from Greek, hadros = heavy, strong) due to their heaviness and strong interaction. Although we know the numerical values of these particle masses with high accuracy, it is a challenging question of modern physics to understand why particles actually obtain a mass. For instance, it is not clear why the mass of an electron has a specific value. Nor do we know why some quarks, which together with gluons make up the nucleon, have such a small mass: Up and down quarks are light; their masses are about a hundred times smaller than the mass of the nucleon. What is more, gluons do not have a mass at all.

[Gollum]

hilander999, on Feb 22 2009, 10:13 PM, said:

Gollum, on Feb 22 2009, 05:59 AM, said:

Are they heavy?

This question has yet to be answered...

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Text book examples clearly evidence that the mass of things in our material world is essentially made up of nucleons, i.e. protons and neutrons. Protons and neutrons belong to a group of particles which are called hadrons (from Greek, hadros = heavy, strong) due to their heaviness and strong interaction. Although we know the numerical values of these particle masses with high accuracy, it is a challenging question of modern physics to understand why particles actually obtain a mass. For instance, it is not clear why the mass of an electron has a specific value. Nor do we know why some quarks, which together with gluons make up the nucleon, have such a small mass: Up and down quarks are light; their masses are about a hundred times smaller than the mass of the nucleon. What is more, gluons do not have a mass at all.

Yeah, umm i really wasnt paying much attention during science class back in school, so the above just screamed over my head at like Mach 2.

Cant you just cup them in your hand and give an approximate weight guess, heavy, not that heavy or surprisingly light.

[chukalov]

This is really offending. I wasn't expecting I was gonna get such a response. First of all You all don't know ANYTHING about me or what I'm going to use this CD for. You start assuming that I'll be selling i for money and make a profit, well guess what, you're wrong. That wasn't my intention at all. This is a FREE software and and I thought that means it can be fully customized to your likes.

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Our goal is to be the most complete and easy to use FREE computer diagnostic tool. Almost all software included in UBCD4Win are freeware utilities for Windows®. Some of the tools included are "free for personal use" copies so users need to respect these licenses. A few of the tools included in UBCD4Win are paid for and licensed software owned by UBCD4win. On occasion we work with software companies/authors for permission to include their software in our download or have requested their software better support PE. Users can freely share copies of UBCD4Win with friends but selling UBCD4Win for a profit is not acceptable. We have worked hard for many years helping people for free with this project, others should not make money from our hard work.

SO IN WHICH PART OF MY FIRST POST I SAID I WAS GONNA SELL IT????? I did added my own plugins to the CD and wanted to put my name on it so when I SHARE IT WITH FRIENDS, they're not gonna be able to spread it or sell it as their own. If I wanted to sell it or get some profit out of it, and if in any way i was violating any laws, YOU'RE NOT THE ONES THAT GONNA MAKE ME RESPONSIBLE. There are authorities out there for that reason and they can do their job.

STOP ASSUMING THINGS!!!
Peace out y'all.

[bengt]

Detailed info here on how to change the "About"

[pcuser]

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I did added my own plugins to the CD and wanted to put my name on it so when I SHARE IT WITH FRIENDS, they're not gonna be able to spread it or sell it as their own.

Try this:

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Dear Lavasoft,

Thank you for the great freeware utility for removing malware, it's really been a big help! The only problem is that everytime I click Help -> About it says "Ad-Aware - Developed by Lavasoft" but since I'm the one that spent all the time creating the custom scan settings, I'd like it to read "Jerry's Malware Destroyer - Developed by Jerry" and I also feel that this will stop my friends from spreading it or selling it as thier own.

Thanks in advance,

Jerry

[SteelTrepid]

OK, I think everyone has had their fun now.
First, sorry chukalov. The guys must have been bored last night and just went a little crazy. We normally do not attack people when they post something here in our forum. But as you can see it's a "sore subject."
I think you understand now. No one is going to help you change the information so don't ask anymore. Please feel free to ask any other questions you might have and you will get a nice response.

@All- no more pick'n on this poor guy, I think he has gotten the point. Feel free to continue your "fun" off topic discussion if you wish.

[rdsok]

chukalov,

You have completely missed the point that was being made here... If you change the about information for the project... that is plagiarism no matter if you are just sharing it with friends or with the world. No one claimed you were going to sell the project directly, though that has happened many times as mentioned on eBay and other places as well. It is also why it is such a sore subject when it is brought up.

See this WikiPedia definition of Plagiarism if you don't understand it.


You also seem to misunderstand what the following statement that you quoted does allow...

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Users can freely share copies of UBCD4Win with friends but selling UBCD4Win for a profit is not acceptable.

This statement means that you can download the UBCD4Win project installation file itself and provide a copy of it to friends ( or family etc ). IT DOES NOT mean you can create a bootable CD and provide that to them. As a matter of fact if you give them a bootable CD/DVD or other device then you violate the Microsoft copyright laws by distributing their files which is not allowed and would be actually an act of piracy.

[chukalov]

rdsok, on Feb 22 2009, 04:19 PM, said:

chukalov,

You have completely missed the point that was being made here... If you change the about information for the project... that is plagiarism no matter if you are just sharing it with friends or with the world. No one claimed you were going to sell the project directly, though that has happened many times as mentioned on eBay and other places as well. It is also why it is such a sore subject when it is brought up.

See this WikiPedia definition of Plagiarism if you don't understand it.


You also seem to misunderstand what the following statement that you quoted does allow...

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Users can freely share copies of UBCD4Win with friends but selling UBCD4Win for a profit is not acceptable.

This statement means that you can download the UBCD4Win project installation file itself and provide a copy of it to friends ( or family etc ). IT DOES NOT mean you can create a bootable CD and provide that to them. As a matter of fact if you give them a bootable CD/DVD or other device then you violate the Microsoft copyright laws by distributing their files which is not allowed and would be actually an act of piracy.

Well I learned my lesson. English is not my first language so I'll blame it on that for the misunderstanding. I still don't understand why giving a bootable disk to a friend would be violating Microsoft's copyright, as long as that person have a valid license of XP but downloading from here is fine. Most of the plugins included are freeware and I don't understand whats all the fuss about. This whole project is based on BartPE and WinPE but I don't see their names in the "About" section. And you're talking about Microsoft, why don't you put Microsoft in the About then? Either way, I was looking for tools to build my own CD and I thought that's what UBCD4WIN was. Apparently I was wrong and I was called names and attacked for absolutely no reason. It was a simple question and I could have been explained that's not the case. I have already moved on and got MS Windows AIK and VistaPE. I am registered MCP and MCTS and got it directly from their site. It gives me the basic and I add what else I need. It's a lot faster and easier to use anyway. For those of you who help developing projects like this one, great job guys, but don't expect anything in return. So if somebody is using your work, well you're the ones that gave out. I definitely don't agree if somebody is making money on your back but that was the last thought in my mind.

I'm certainly not going to use UBCD4WIN EVER again.

Peace.

[rdsok]

chukalov, on Feb 22 2009, 04:35 PM, said:

I'm certainly not going to use UBCD4WIN EVER again.

And this affects us how???

You obviously were not going to contribute to the project in any manner and obviously you were going to plagiarize it and claim it as your own work instead.

All that is left to say then is good riddance... We don't want people that steals our work calling it their own... and certainly don't want to be associated with someone that pirates other software ( Microsoft ) to be associated with the project either.

We take both plagiarism and piracy very seriously here. Users that either take offence or scoff at that position are often found to have ulterior motives even though they won't admit it after it is pointed out and seem to be the ones that take the most offense. As that famous playwrite once stated methinks thou dost protest too much

[OverFlow]

pcuser, on Feb 22 2009, 11:39 AM, said:

Try this:

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Dear Lavasoft,

Thank you for the great freeware utility for removing malware, it's really been a big help! The only problem is that everytime I click Help -> About it says "Ad-Aware - Developed by Lavasoft" but since I'm the one that spent all the time creating the custom scan settings, I'd like it to read "Jerry's Malware Destroyer - Developed by Jerry" and I also feel that this will stop my friends from spreading it or selling it as thier own.

Thanks in advance,

Jerry

If this example does not make it clear, then I think you need to find a different field to work in... before you get sued.

You said - "This whole project is based on BartPE and WinPE but I don't see their names in the "About" section."

UBCD4Win paid almost a thousand dollars for the RIGHT to have that about info there...
The reason that Barts name is not there is because Bart got PAID to replace his name with this projects name.
You are more than welcome to pay for your own BartPE license... And then you can put your name there! My guess is you won't.

You asked - "I still don't understand why giving a bootable disk to a friend would be violating Microsoft's copyright, as long as that person have a valid license of XP but downloading from here is fine."

The UBCD4Win project does not include windows XP or 2003.
Because doing so would violate MS licence regarding redistribution of their files,
even if the person you plan to give it to does have a valid licence.
You will have re-distributed the source OS files - UBCD4Win does not do this. You must supply the OS yourself
- don't you think if it was legal that UBCD4Win would distribute prebuilt discs and ISO's? -

You Said - We assumed. We did not. You clearly admitted to us you were going to give it to your freinds.
That is to say you told us that you fully intend to redistribute proprietary MS files.
This is a clear admission of your intent to pirate (Redistribute) MS software.
Nothing was assumed, you volunteered that info
IE I am going to give my Disc to my freinds = I am going to redistribute XP = Violation of MS licensing.

IE - If you give out a Disc that is built (and it would therefore include MS proprietary files) you are clearly Pirating MS software.
If this also does not make it clear, then I am sure you will find yourself in court...

This post has been edited by OverFlow: 23 February 2009 - 01:06 AM

[Gollum]

Some people are just fodder for the bolt gun.....

This dweeb will never get it time to close the thread methinks before i get up to full speed on him

[chukalov]

Gollum, on Feb 23 2009, 03:43 AM, said:

Some people are just fodder for the bolt gun.....

This dweeb will never get it time to close the thread methinks before i get up to full speed on him

Gollum why don't you leave the guns aside and go check if mama have your milk warmed! And what exactly is it that you're "testing" since Posts: 19 and Joined: 16-December 08? If I were you I would keep quite.

And for the rest, sounds like I hit a nerve here and I was definitely not intending to do that. I went and did some reading on licenses and EULAs and you all should do the same. Here is what BartPE has on his site:

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Licensing issues

In order to make a BartPE installation, your must have a properly licensed copy of the operating system. BartPE does not grant users who do not have a proper Windows XP/2003 license the right to use a BartPE installation.

Also, according to the Microsoft EULA for Windows XP/2003, a user may not simultaneously use more installations of these operating systems than the user has license(s) for. This also goes for BartPE. In practice this means that the user may not use, for instance, a single license installation on one computer while simultaneously using a BartPE installation (created using that license) on another computer.

More information:

* Your local Microsoft Windows end-user license agreement (c:\WINDOWS\system32\eula.txt)
* PE Builder license file

And then part of his license:

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LICENSE

1. By using and/or opening any packaging enclosing this
software, expanding any compressed file containing this
software or by utilizing this software, you agree to be
bound by the terms of this license agreement.

2. The software, documentation and any other materials
accompanying this License whether on disk, in read only
memory, on any other media or in any other form
(collectively the "Software") are licensed, not sold, to you
by Bart Lagerweij, as well as his respective members,
agents, directors, officers, servants and representatives,
if any, (collectively "Licensor") for use only under the
terms of this License, and Licensor reserves all rights not
expressly granted to you. The rights granted herein are
limited to Licensor's intellectual property rights in the
Software and do not include any other patents or
intellectual property rights. You own the media on which the
Software is recorded but Licensor retains ownership of the
Software itself. The rights granted under the terms of this
License include any software upgrades that replace and/or
supplement the original Software product, unless such
upgrade contains a separate license.

3. Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any
person obtaining a copy of the Software to use, copy,
publish and distribute the Software, subject to the
conditions of this License.

So basically when you build a CD you're using the core OS files from XP or whatever else core you're using. According to Microsoft's EULA, you're not violating anything as long as you keep their files in the original form , not any modifying and if you have a license for what OS files you're using. In other words, since I have a legal XP license and my couple of friends that I was going to give the copy of it have a valid license for XP - I don't see what's the problem. The same thing applies to any apps that you add in there, if they're commercial, you and whoever else would be using it needs to have a license for it. If its a freeware - you know what freeware means. Even Bart himself states that anybody can publish and distribute the software. I was being called names and attacked for no reason, I was planning to give the disk to 2 of my friends but that was absolutely for free and I would get no monetary or any other benefit out o it. They both have a valid license for XP as well.

You might also take a look here: MSFN Forums

[bengt]

chukalov, on Feb 23 2009, 02:33 PM, said:

If its a freeware - you know what freeware means. Even Bart himself states that anybody can publish and distribute the software.

You need to differentiate between the BartPE files (the builder) and Windows. You may distribute BartPE as much as you like but not Windows files. Why is that so difficult to understand?

chukalov, on Feb 23 2009, 02:33 PM, said:

Gollum why don't you leave the guns aside and go check if mama have your milk warmed! And what exactly is it that you're "testing" since Posts: 19 and Joined: 16-December 08? If I were you I would keep quite.

Oh my, prepare for some incoming flack...
I've got to see this, (preparing and setting up front row seats, pop corn and a gallon of Coke, holding on to hat)

This post has been edited by bengt: 23 February 2009 - 10:36 AM

[SteelTrepid]

I think the discussion is over.
It's kinda stupid to mention a discussion that occurred 4 years ago!!

I really don't care how you read the EULA's and such. All I know is if I catch you selling MY/OUR work, I will f*****g sue you!! And call one of my MS attorney buddies so they are aware of your activities also.

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[rdsok]

chukalov, on Feb 23 2009, 02:33 PM, said:

Gollum why don't you leave the guns aside and go check if mama have your milk warmed!

A completely ridiculous statement made out of ignorance obviously..... Anyone that knows Gollum will also likely know that any milk found in his or his mothers house was quickly churned into cheese or perhaps butter to be used with the toast he may have with his wine and cheese.

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