[franksbigdog]

ISO image file created ok but it is approx 725kb hence too large to burn to standard cd. Can ANYBODY, AND I MEAN ANYBODY, give me some help on how to create an iso image file that is less than 700kb so that I can burn the damn thing?

[SteelTrepid]

http://www.ubcd4win.com/faq.htm#700

[franksbigdog]

SteelTrepid, on 05 December 2009 - 06:38 PM, said:

http://www.ubcd4win.com/faq.htm#700

Thanx for taking the time to reply.
When I click on the link that you included all it does is take me to the ubcd4win faq page. I don't see anything there that helps me. Am I missing something (other than my mind)?

[pcuser]

The link works fine for me.

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My ISO is bigger than 700MBs?

You have several options here:
If you need to keep it on CD, then disable some plugins. Just go through the list and pick some tools that you do not think you will need. Now the key to this, disable ones that are enabled by default.
DVD drives have been included in new computers for many years now. So you could actually add more to your build and just burn it to a DVD. Burning an ISO is the same, just pick to burn it to a DVD drive.
USB flash drives provide an excellent boot method also. Usually they boot faster and are a bit more flexible. However you have to worry about systems being able to boot from a USB flash drive. Tom has worked hard on UBUSB (Ultimate Boot USB) for a few years now and it is evolved into an excellent helper for creating a bootable USB flash drive. More information can be found in our support forum here: UBUSB forum area

Go into your BartPE folder to see which plugins take up the most space. Spybot is 90MB by itself and is enabled by default.

[franksbigdog]

pcuser, on 05 December 2009 - 07:15 PM, said:

The link works fine for me.

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My ISO is bigger than 700MBs?

You have several options here:
If you need to keep it on CD, then disable some plugins. Just go through the list and pick some tools that you do not think you will need. Now the key to this, disable ones that are enabled by default.
DVD drives have been included in new computers for many years now. So you could actually add more to your build and just burn it to a DVD. Burning an ISO is the same, just pick to burn it to a DVD drive.
USB flash drives provide an excellent boot method also. Usually they boot faster and are a bit more flexible. However you have to worry about systems being able to boot from a USB flash drive. Tom has worked hard on UBUSB (Ultimate Boot USB) for a few years now and it is evolved into an excellent helper for creating a bootable USB flash drive. More information can be found in our support forum here: UBUSB forum area

Go into your BartPE folder to see which plugins take up the most space. Spybot is 90MB by itself and is enabled by default.

Thank you for your reply but I do not know how to "Go into the BartPE folder to see which plugins take up the most space", nor do I know how to disable them (if) when I get there. Can you give me some specific directions on how to do this, PLEASE?

[rdsok]

Run UBCD4WinBuilder.exe... click the Plugins button... look at what is/isn't enabled. This doesn't show sizes ( since that wasn't an option in the builder ) but you should be able to look in the plugin folders and see how large each one is to get an idea of how much space may be saved.

[franksbigdog]

rdsok, on 05 December 2009 - 08:07 PM, said:

Run UBCD4WinBuilder.exe... click the Plugins button... look at what is/isn't enabled. This doesn't show sizes ( since that wasn't an option in the builder ) but you should be able to look in the plugin folders and see how large each one is to get an idea of how much space may be saved.

Tried that and when I run UBCD4WINuilder.exe all I get is another window that has plugins tab on bottom. When I click that plugins tab all I get is yet another error message in the window saying that the path is not valid.

[franksbigdog]

franksbigdog, on 05 December 2009 - 09:33 PM, said:

rdsok, on 05 December 2009 - 08:07 PM, said:

Run UBCD4WinBuilder.exe... click the Plugins button... look at what is/isn't enabled. This doesn't show sizes ( since that wasn't an option in the builder ) but you should be able to look in the plugin folders and see how large each one is to get an idea of how much space may be saved.

Tried that and when I run UBCD4WINuilder.exe all I get is another window that has plugins tab on bottom. When I click that plugins tab all I get is yet another error message in the window saying that the path is not valid.

For the couple of folks who tried to help. thank you. That said I have wasted approximately 12 hours with this DOGpoo SOFTWARE trying to get a POS boot disc built and burned. I'm done. All you techies and administrators win. I can't figure out this dogpoo software or any of the "all you have to do bullpoo directions I got". I will NEVER try to do any of this crap again. What a complete and utter waste of time!

[pcuser]

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For the couple of folks who tried to help. thank you.

All three of us that replied to your plea for help have devoted over half a decade of our lives to this freeware project that helps many hundreds of thousands of people and are the reason why it's here.

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All you techies and administrators win

I think it's more like a FAIL for you...

BTW: I've seen issues like this before and you should have someone check for a loose nut in front of the keyboard.

[dirkgently42]

dude must have got distracted...

"SQUIRREL!!!"

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=FmsLUNFk_Qg

[franksbigdog]

pcuser, on 06 December 2009 - 12:40 AM, said:

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For the couple of folks who tried to help. thank you.

All three of us that replied to your plea for help have devoted over half a decade of our lives to this freeware project that helps many hundreds of thousands of people and are the reason why it's here.

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All you techies and administrators win

I think it's more like a FAIL for you...

BTW: I've seen issues like this before and you should have someone check for a loose nut in front of the keyboard.

Your right, it is a "FAIL" for me. Thank you and both of the other response posters for your clear and concise replies to my plea for help. Your (and their) replies were so clear and concise that they did nothing more than make a very difficult to understand situation much worse. I see from the (literally) thousands of problem posts on this site that I am not the only one who finds this software extremely difficult to make usable and/or use.
As far as a "loose nut" behind the keyboard, that's true (and I think I acknowledged that in one of my first posts). That said one wonders why (if as you say you and many others have devoted over half a decade to this project) it is still so frought with end user creation and/or use problems. It seems clear that, although I am a newbie, and not very computer literate, that I am not alone in not being able to create and/or use this boot CD (re: the thousands of create/install/use problem comments in the various forums). Maybe it's just the nature of the beast, huh?
I might suggest that in the future, when you or others who respond to a "newbies" plea for help that you consider A) that we are a NEWBIE, and that not every newbie is as smart, or as computer literate, as you (or they). If we all knew so much about what we were doing (those of us pleading for help) we wouldn't be pleading for help in the first place! Posting single line hyperlinks with no explanation or posting directions that are not understood, don't work or create more error windows are not much help and only exacerbate an already bad situation.

[SteelTrepid]

I don't know what else we can do? Step 7 on the "how to build" page explains the "plugins" screen in the builder. Select something then click "enable/disable."
So the FAQ topic should provide enough information?

The information and help has evolved from years of users suggestions and comments. We can not always "hold everyone's hand", we do not have the time for that I'm sorry. Is it stupid for us to expect that users have basic Windows knowledge? I mean, if you can't navigate to a folder and see how big it is then there is no way you will know what to do with the advanced tools included in UBCD4Win. There is no magical boot disc that will automatically fix all computer problems, users have to research the problem and then figure out how to fix it. UBCD4Win has many tools that can help you recover from those bad situations.

Like the FAQ topic states and step 7 shows, check the enabled plugins and disable some to make your ISO smaller. Start with the Networking tools, you probably do not need all the VNC stuff that is enabled by default.

If you have specific questions from what is stated in the FAQ or the "how to build" page please let us know what they are. I will hopefully find the time to update those pages and add the additional information so it will help everyone.

[franksbigdog]

SteelTrepid, on 06 December 2009 - 10:36 AM, said:

I don't know what else we can do? Step 7 on the "how to build" page explains the "plugins" screen in the builder. Select something then click "enable/disable."
So the FAQ topic should provide enough information?

The information and help has evolved from years of users suggestions and comments. We can not always "hold everyone's hand", we do not have the time for that I'm sorry. Is it stupid for us to expect that users have basic Windows knowledge? I mean, if you can't navigate to a folder and see how big it is then there is no way you will know what to do with the advanced tools included in UBCD4Win. There is no magical boot disc that will automatically fix all computer problems, users have to research the problem and then figure out how to fix it. UBCD4Win has many tools that can help you recover from those bad situations.

Like the FAQ topic states and step 7 shows, check the enabled plugins and disable some to make your ISO smaller. Start with the Networking tools, you probably do not need all the VNC stuff that is enabled by default.

If you have specific questions from what is stated in the FAQ or the "how to build" page please let us know what they are. I will hopefully find the time to update those pages and add the additional information so it will help everyone.

To (most especially) SteelTrepid (who I assume is BB), PCuser and rdsok – If a simple thank you is all that’s necessary then, from the bottom of my heart – THANK YOU (and YES, I am back on my meds today).
Please note that in the future I would prefer to be addressed as LNIFOK since not only is that what I am but also who I am.
That said I have discovered that many of my problems with UBCD4Win are:
1) related to a bad optical drive that was creating file read errors reading from disc during the ISO file build process. These errors, of course, translated into errors in the ISO image built. Perhaps that’s why Ben “strongly suggests” that the Windows XP files on CD are copied to an internal hdd and the build process be run from hdd copied Windows files and NOT directly from CD.
2) my optical drive was (apparently) not capable of burning the ISO image correctly when it was finally created. Numerous and diverse error messages using all five of the CD burning software packages I have regarding the CD burn were extremely frustrating and VERY hard to track down.
3) Ultimately the ISO image file size had little or no effect on the ability to correctly burn a CD. I built an ISO image file with all network plugins disabled and the file size was approx. 680 mb. I also built an ISO image file with ALL default plugins enabled and the ISO image file was approx 725 kb. BOTH files burned to 700 mb CDs easily once I used a newer (Matsupooa) optical drive & ImgBurn to burn them.
I’m sure that it is as frustrating for all of you dealing with an irrational & panicked newbie who has forgotten to take their daily meds (such as yours truly) as it is for a LNIFOK (such as yours truly) to deal with the types of problems I encountered and not (intuitively) know how to track them down and fix them.

SUGGESTIONS
1. Before attempting to use UBCD4Win make sure that you have an optical drive capable of: 1)error free reading data CDs (if installing UBCD4Win from a CD and/or reading a Windows OS CD) and/or, 2) capable of burning CDs/DVDs if you intend to burn the ISO image built in UBCD4Win to a CD or DVD.
2. When all else fails – READ THE DIRECTIONS - “HOW TO BUILD THE ULTIMATE BOOT CD FOR WINDOWS”. I’m not sure how you can make that clearer to people (especially newbies) using the software but, in my case anyway, I read them once very superficially and didn’t refer to them again until the very last. It seems that if one follows them carefully, AND IN ORDER! (ala a cook book), that a successful ISO image file build is likely.
3. End-users need not be overly concerned if the UBCD4Win built ISO image file is slightly bigger than 700mb. Most CDs will “take” or “burn” an ISO image file size of approx 725mb.

[bengt]

@franksbigdog
Since the long standing forum's own Dr. Hunter S. Thompson wannabe, isn't around (maybe he's lurking in the shadows...)
to give you a well deserving flack in his typical OZ eloquence, I will just say this:
What on earth do you need a boot cd for?!! mind blowing...

[franksbigdog]

bengt, on 06 December 2009 - 06:01 PM, said:

@franksbigdog
Since the long standing forum's own Dr. Hunter S. Thompson wannabe, isn't around (maybe he's lurking in the shadows...)
to give you a well deserving flack in his typical OZ eloquence, I will just say this:
What on earth do you need a boot cd for?!! mind blowing...

@bengt
So glad that you have been delegated the position to speak for the forum and that you feel compelled to comment instead of offering any help. I really appreciate your input when I pleaded for assistance. Oh, that's right, you just pass judgement on others. Sorry, I forgot, I am but a newbie and you are one of the annointed ones.