BartPE and PE Builder? Options

[nichos]

Hi,
I tried to make this XPsp2 startup thing,

1. Extracted from winzip to E:\PEBuilder

2. Run "pebuilder" and got E:\PEBuilder\BartPE of 150mb & subdirectories

The difficulty occured in sending files to the CD.

The Nero cannot format the CD-R, as it accepts only CD-WR.

I formated a CD-R with Roxio's "DirectCD" program, and a 15mb file went in CD.

When I put this CD in the drive to reboot PC, with Autorun activated, NOTHING happens.

When I double clicked that 15mb file, Easy CD creator opened and Warned that this is a DirectCD disk and cannot read it.

How does one uses this thing and where do I go wrong?

Any help will be appreciated, nick

PS. how does one insert a screen shot here??

[webmedic]

you can not use direct cd or any packet writing type thing to do this. like nero incd.

All packet writing software is only for use under windows. And as such will not make a bootable cd for you.

[LittlBUGer]

Did you read on what this CD is meant for and how to actually build it? It seems you are just doing a vanilla build of BartPE with nothing else and are having some issues burning the .iso file it created (if it did create one). Please explain the process you took to build the file/CD and whatnot. The more details the better. (IMG:http://www.ubcd4win.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[nichos]

Did you read on what this CD is meant for and how to actually build it?  It seems you are just doing a vanilla build of BartPE with nothing else and are having some issues burning the .iso file it created (if it did create one).  Please explain the process you took to build the file/CD and whatnot.  The more details the better.  (IMG:http://www.ubcd4win.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Hi LittlBUGer,
sorry for the double, tried but could not delete and move it to the proper forum.

Was I naive to think I could have a startup CD like the old floppies days?.

Read & followed to the letter info on "How to build the CD"

Extracted zip to e:\pebuilder313\BartPE(597mb), XPsp2 is on the HD, run pebuilder, with ISO/CD clicked showing h:\UBCD4Windows\ubcd4win24.iso, (h:\ is my CD Rom), Burn to CD clicked, put CD-R in Roxio powered CDRom and clicked on "Build".

A millionn files flashed by and at 2.8 % hang for one hr. Rebooted PC

CD-R has in it an Easy Creator 19mb file "ubcd4win24", but could do nothing with it. Moved it to HD, and CDBXP to burn it on another CD-R installing 356mb & closing it.

Rebooted PC went some way and stoped with error:
"File\i386\system32\ntoskrnl.exe loaded. The error copy 12800" press any to exit

I could not find the "log" file for errors.

I renamed the first "plugins" file, do I need to change it later?.

What are all those new plugin's used for. Do I need them?


Is it necessary to install the Drivers download I got?

Was it necessary to create all those directories (over 700mb) to end up with a corrupted 19mb ISO file?.

What do you think I do wrong? nick

PS. For Mr.Webmedic I found this:-
"....You cannot simply burn the ISO file directly to CD it has to be processed by CD burning software to be burnt correctly. I use several freeware applications to accomplish this. I have used Nero and several others but do not honestly care for them..... use CDBXP"

This post has been edited by nichos: Oct 14 2005, 04:52 AM

[nichos]

Hi LittlBUGer,
Since last post I took the bull by the horn, deleted all previous rubbish I created, removed all references in Registry, and started from scratch again.

I did all as first time, but perhaps in proper order now.

I Unticked the "Burn to CD", and burned the created 339mb image, with CDBXP, to a CD-R.

BUT, when I rebooted (CDRM first choice in Bios), the rom flashed a few times and went and started winXP as usual.

I was expecting to go to DOS like screen with utilities available.

1. Was this a normal behaviour?.

2. I renamed the first "plugins" file, do I need to change it later?.

3. What are all those new plugin's used for. Do I need them?

4. Is it necessary to install the Driver download I got?

Hope am not boring you with all this rubbish, nick

[LittlBUGer]

Just to clarify, this is much more powerful than just a bunch of DOS utilities. Our CD actually boots up into a Windows environment in which you can then run a huge amount of utilities.

As for building, I don't know why you would need to delete registry entries to start fresh, as none are created. In any case, here's the basic steps that are listed in the How To Build page:

-Extract pebuilder to a folder
-Rename or delete the original plugins folder
-Extract the UBCD4Win download into the same folder you extraced pebuilder to
-Extract the drivers download into the drivers folder (use this so that much more hardware is recognized)
-Run pebuilder.exe and tell it where you source XP CD information is (hopefully on your HD)
-Tell it to create an .iso file on your HD somewhere (but DO NOT tell it to burn it)
-Then just run it and it should work

If you did all correctly and your BIOS is truly setup to boot from the CD drive first, you should get to a screen where it says it's loading the UBCD4Win and then it will show the default Windows XP loading screen, and then it will go into the actual environment of the CD.

Now, as for your questions:

1.) No, it doesn't sound like normal behavior at all as I explained above. If you want DOS utilities, you've looked in the wrong place. Check out the original UBCD for such tools.

2.) Renaming the plugins is fine and you don't need to do anything else with it.

3.) Yes, you need the "new" plugins from the main UBCD4Win download as those are all of the programs/tools you'll be able to use.

4.) It's not necessary but the drivers will add the ability for the CD to recognize a much wider array of hardware to boot on.

That should be it. (IMG:http://www.ubcd4win.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[nichos]

Just to clarify, this is much more powerful than just a bunch of DOS utilities.  Our CD actually boots up into a Windows environment in which you can then run a huge amount of utilities.

Well I did exactly what you and the instruction file said, bios is set for cdrom first, then HD, and the start up showed no signs of the CD lot.

I am looking in that CD now and it only contains one file "ubcd4win24", and its properties say it is an Easy CD Creator Image File.

Any suggestions of why is not successful? nick

[SteelTrepid]

What software did you use to burn the ISO file?? All it sounds like you did was burn the single file to a CD. You have to find the option in your burning software to burn an ISO image.

If you are not sure how to do this with your current CD burning software....try the recommended software on the site...CD Burner XP Pro. It's very easy to use and is free!!

[LittlBUGer]

As Steel said, you burned the .iso file image wrong. You need to find the option in your burning software to Burn an Image or Burn and ISO Image. Such as for example, in Nero, it's Recorder -> Burn Image.... You CAN'T burn the file directly to the CD as a data CD, it HAS to be burned as an image. (IMG:http://www.ubcd4win.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[nichos]

As Steel said, you burned the .iso file image wrong.  You need to find the option in your burning software to Burn an Image or Burn and ISO Image.  Such as for example, in Nero, it's  Recorder -> Burn Image....  You CAN'T burn the file directly to the CD as a data CD, it HAS to be burned as an image.  (IMG:http://www.ubcd4win.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Thanks Steel / LittlBUGer,
stupid of me, forgot the file>write to ISO.

BUT although ISO this time, 6 files oppened i386, progs etc (339mb), rebooted and no DOS like things appeared.

The CD drive spun wildly, windows started as if normal, only slight change in the looks of fonts & or icons & a green "START" button came on left bottom corner.

Looked into these utils, but unfortunately I touched something and am stuck now with black lettering of my system info, cpu, partitions etc.

No amount of rebooting will change my desctop to what it was. You know HOW??

I did not install the driver download in case I f-up my system. Have enough trouble with the Invidia lot as it is.

PS btw, I tried this CD on my other PC with only CDRoms, no R-W, and is not seen.
WELL then, I failed again, if you can clean me up I will pack up this business, although it does look impressive work. nick

This post has been edited by nichos: Oct 14 2005, 01:31 PM

[LittlBUGer]

"Write to ISO" seems like something that would copy the data from a CD to an ISO image, but if it indeed worked as you said and burned the ISO to the CD, then that's fine.

It doesn't matter what the drive is in the computer when you boot the CD, nor does the OS matter. As long as the drive can read CDs, and the BIOS is set to boot from the CD, it will work. Once in the UBCD4Win environment, you can run all kinds of programs and whatnot, so I'm not sure what you mean by your system information "blacked" out. Please be more specific on where you went or what you were looking at. You can take screenshots while in there and save them to your HD.

Adding the drivers download does NOT screw up anything on your computer. Using the UBCD4Win at all does NOT by default screw anything up anywhere, as most of it is written to your RAM, which gets deleted on every reboot. So, it's only if you went into a tool and purposely did something to mess up your computer that it would, in fact, be messed up. As soon as you reboot your computer, take the CD OUT of the drive if you want to boot back into the normal Windows environment, otherwise it will just boot from the CD again.

Other than that, I'm still having a hard time understanding exactly what you mean. Please elaborate and be more descriptive so that we can all help you get this working and understand what's going on. Thanks. (IMG:http://www.ubcd4win.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[nichos]

I did'nt say blacked out.

Now with the CD in the trash can, and the PC rebooted a few times, the desktop icon's font remain changed and there is superimposed on the blue win. screen system info, in BLACK capital Letters like:-

CPU:- 2.2ghz AMD Athlon 64 3500+
Memory 1024mb
OS Ver. win XP
c:\ 46.56 GB Fat32
...................
............
etc etc etc 16 lines

I clicked on one of the utilities in the green "Start" button. I d'nt rememmber which one.
Surely as experts you know what progs. you put in the plugins & which one is printing on the desktop the info described.
My Starter program does not show where this thing is embeded to get rid of it.

PE is not in Add/Remove progs., but the registry is littered with it.

How on earth do I insert a screen shot in this forum, I do not have a web page.

Please help to clean my desktop and bring it where it was.

PS. Just removed all DIRs & traces of this program from the HD and the registry, rebooted and the desktop is still infected.

Thanx, nick

This post has been edited by nichos: Oct 14 2005, 04:38 PM

[SteelTrepid]

Your desktop and system are not infected.

It sounds like you installed BGInfo onto your system or set it as your wallpaper. Try checking your Display Settings. Someone a few weeks ago reported an issue like this but did not go into detail or explain what they did. They also stopped replying to messages. So we were unable to help them.

This also doesn't make very much sense. You stated earlier that you didn't burn the CD right, or actually we let you know you didn't. I don't understand how you got it to AutoPlay. I don't think you ever booted the project, but somehow actually did create the right CD....but ran it when Windows was loaded.

There is a lot going on here. (IMG:http://www.ubcd4win.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/glare.gif)

[LittlBUGer]

Yes, nothing is infected or wrong with your system. It seems, as Steel said, that you possibly didn't actually even boot from the CD, you just loaded it in Windows and then somehow got the program BGInfo to install on your system from the CD. All it does is add helpful information about your system onto the Desktop Wallpaper automatically, nothing more. You should be able to easily disable it, but I would like to see a screenshot just to be sure.

While in Windows with no other windows or screens open, press the Print Screen key and then go into MS Paint and do a Edit -> Paste. Save the pasted image as a .jpg file and then what you can do is just send that file to me, or go to a free picture hosting server like PhotoBucket and upload it there and then place a link to it here. If you need help, please let us/me know.

Again, I assure you nothing is infected or wrong with your machine and our CD is not crap. You have just ran into some interesting issues that need to be dealt with appropriately. Thanks for your time. (IMG:http://www.ubcd4win.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[nichos]

Steel you are a wizard,
you did it, it was Biginfo and I embeded it in Display Properties > Desktop > Background.

I pushed the slider up to None and presto, gone, all back to normal.

Although I deleted it's reference in the registry, it still stayed on reboot.

Your second paragraph boggled me, after your prompt I reburned to anew CD, but used the command in the file menu to write in ISO form, and instead of just burn a Easy CD Creator image of "pebuilder", it opened it in the CD to 6 bootable files.

Then restarted the PC with the bios set for CDRom first and the CD in the drive.

I was expecting to see DOS like things on startup, but instead it looked like a normal startup, with the green "Srart" button showing, and when I investigated it I must have clicked on BigInfo.

Tell me one thing, if a PC is up the blink not booting and you started it with this CD, would it start as normally starts, or how would the screen look? would it be an windows GUI or Dos like black screen with text on it and the green button.?

Has anybody ever used it in anger?
Tnanx anyway and good night, is 00:30 hrs here. nick

PS you never explained how to post fotos.

Your desktop and system are not infected.

It sounds like you installed BGInfo onto your system or set it as your wallpaper.  Try checking your Display Settings.  Someone a few weeks ago reported an issue like this but did not go into detail or explain what they did.  They also stopped replying to messages.  So we were unable to help them.

This also doesn't make very much sense.  You stated earlier that you didn't burn the CD right, or actually we let you know you didn't.  I don't understand how you got it to AutoPlay.  I don't think you ever booted the project, but somehow actually did create the right CD....but ran it when Windows was loaded.

There is a lot going on here. (IMG:http://www.ubcd4win.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/glare.gif)